User talk:110.175.38.93

January 2021[edit]

Hello. Your recent edit appears to have added the name of a non-notable entity to a list that normally includes only notable entries. In general, a person, organization or product added to a list should have a pre-existing article before being added to most lists. If you wish to create such an article, please first confirm that the subject qualifies for a separate, stand-alone article according to Wikipedia's notability guideline. Thank you. FDW777 (talk) 10:55, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hi editor--thank you for taking the time to talk. Overall, I respectfully understand that anyone listed should have notability. If you have the time, I would appreciate your help to review the listing under discussion. Pls nominate the non-notable entity listed so we may discuss further & so I may explain the listing & sufficiently provide evidence to support it. I will happily defer to your advice & your final judgement. As a Western Australian, I have a primary interest in Western Australians & Western Australian history.110.175.38.93 (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's quite straightforward. I pruned the list of people to leave only people who have articles. We are not a directory of every person who attended Trinity College, Perth. I didn't take a "scorched earth" approach to this, for example right at the top of the pruning edit you can see clearly that I added a link to John Harman and retained his entry, as I did for numerous others. FDW777 (talk) 08:26, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Notability guidelines do not apply to content within articles or lists. Thanks--as you say--for contributing links to John Harman & numerous others.--110.175.38.93 (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest you read WP:LISTPEOPLE. It says.

A person is typically included in a list of people only if all the following requirements are met:

The person meets the Wikipedia notability requirement.
The person's membership in the list's group is established by reliable sources.

So people do need to meet notability guidelines to be included. FDW777 (talk) 15:18, 1 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, so it follows people listed met notability guidelines & were reliably sourced. Your changes are neither consistent with the guidelines you cite, nor consistent with listings of notable alumni on pages elsewhere. Looking thru your redactions, you removed a Rhodes Scholar, university chairs, military generals, public servants, entertainers & business people. It is evident--by your own admission--you removed listings because they didn't have their own Wikipages, & that's not a sufficient reason to do so. As well, you chose to remove these listings without discussion. Although you have been helpful in a few instances to improve the site (thank you), you haven't followed best practice promoted by Wiki-editors. Pls be mindful of contributors & respectfully raise your concerns in discussions like this before you erase listings. As well, at the start of this discussion it was unnecessary for you to dish any attempt to review your stated concern by replying. "We[?] are not a directory of every person who attended Trinity College, Perth." So far the only "we" is you & me, & I didn't asked you to be a "directory". Simply, you were asked to discuss the listing which you claimed was a "non-notable entity". Usually, I find people engaging & helpful when invited to discuss. I anticipated this would be the case here as well & I looked forward to garnishing what you had learnt about this site & deferring to each razor-sharp decision you made when you deleted a listing. Surprisingly, I've encountered a lot of double-dealing & dismissive points by you. All that's required is a genuine hand to address the point (singular) as it was raised. Are you happy to get back to the point?--110.175.38.93 (talk) 18:15, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to simply ignore your wall of text. Unless people have an article, they won't be added to the list. If you believe there are notable people that should be on the list and don't currently have articles, I suggest you go and write the articles. FDW777 (talk) 18:44, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

fyi, I have requested clarification on your position (i.e. "Unless people have an article, they won't be added to the list") via the following dispute resolution noticeboard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Summary_of_dispute_by_FDW777

--110.175.38.93 (talk) 02:09, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps a slight change in my position might be helpful, after cleaning up some other similar articles today and leaving in some people with a credible assertion of notability.

I would be willing to discuss on the article's talk page whether a number of people might be restored despite them currently lacking an article, but I will not restore any disputed content prior to the discussion. I will only consider this in relation to people where there is a credible, referenced, assertion of meeting notability guidelines. For example I will not discuss entries such as James McConnell - Commissioner of Consumer Protection WA (CBC Perth), which had this reference. There is no credible assertion of notability, and it doesn't even confirm he attended Trinity College. FDW777 (talk) 13:02, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks FD. Speak soon.--110.175.38.93 (talk) 13:30, 3 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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