User talk:162.238.219.220

September 2023

Please quit changing the legal description of USA communities, such as changing City to Village, or Unincorporated Community to Hamlet. Since legal terms vary from state to state, per laws defined by their state governments, thus Wikipedia articles uses the terms defined by a specific state for communities in that state. For example, in Kansas there is only incorporated cities (city) / unincorporated communities / ghost towns, that's it, nothing else, thus there are no villages or hamlets in Kansas, so quit making this change!! The proper legal terms are listed in this document from the U.S. Census Bureau. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 21:26, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

If you are going to get all states' rightsy legalistic about terms terms used to describe the physical aspects of communities, then you need to establish articles for every state's variations in meaning of these terms and link every community article's term to the defining community-name article. As they stand now, the community articles I have *corrected* are readable as using the generic terms "city" or "town" or "village" or "hamlet" to *describe* one of the community's physical characteristics, and it makes Wikipedia look silly to find, e.g., a "city" with a population of only 20 or 30 people and no businesses! Descriptively, Kansas has plenty of hamlets and villages, as does every other state in the union. Some even have welcome signs defining them as "Village of..." And *you* stop using the U.S. Census Bureau as your sole reference guide for descriptive words: the Census Bureau is a govt agency which gathers statistical data about the country's population, not a final arbiter for common-language usage of terms to describe places where the populations live. Try using a dictionary instead. 162.238.219.220 (talk) 02:43, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

USA community articles were establish long ago, and will continue to be this way unless someone establishes consensus to do it differently at Wikipedia:USCITY. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 03:12, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The only reference at Wikipedia:USCITY to the Census Bureau is to use their population figure for a "city" (sic) vs. a figure from some other unofficial website. Nothing about definitions of city, town, village, hamlet, ghost towns or any exclusion regarding their use. You have made that up. Now go away and let me contribute in peace; I will not respond to any more quibbling from you. 162.238.219.220 (talk) 18:15, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The Wikipedia:USCITY guideline was started in 2007 by other people, before I started editing in 2010. Unfortunately, every little established consensus item hasn't migrated from numerous TALK sections into this article. Thanks to you, I decided to start adding this topic to the guideline to ensure this long term consensus is documented. • Sbmeirow • Talk • 22:31, 20 September 2023 (UTC)

The use of the word "guideline" (and *not* "inviolable rule") is noted and I will treat your additions as such. Are these additions of yours based on a concensus of one, or was there a place for the entire body of Wikipedians to discuss them before they went live? I any event, I accept your thanks. I assume you are going to write articles about the meaning of state-specific "legal terms" for the different communities so that links may be established to them for people confused by the notion of a "city" with a population of 30? Then, perhaps next you can do something about the people who commandeer articles about these organized communities and turn them into articles about CDPs instead of creating new ones based on the obvious distinctions? 162.238.219.220 (talk) 18:18, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

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