User talk:35waita

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Again, welcome to Wikipedia! I dream of horses ^{(Contribs) (Talk)} 12:32, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Nice to meet you and great to have a mentor, I dream of horses. Just to put things straight, they're biscuits on the plate, cookies come from websites! :)) Language is a funny thing, with all its regional variations! I'll work through the relevant tutorials and if I have any questions or concerns, I'll drop you a note. Many thanks 35waita (talk) 16:34, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

@35waita This made me chuckle. Thanks. And yes, language is a funny thing, isn't it? I dream of horses ^{(Contribs) (Talk)} 23:35, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi I dream of horses, I am having a problem editing a page. It's the entry for 'Christopher Luxon'. It got reverted by another editor claiming 'source formatting' and disputing my change from CEO to GM of Unilever Canada. I cited references and deleted other references due to their verifiability and bias. What is the process to follow when an edit is disputed or contentious? 35waita (talk) 23:32, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

You should talk to HTGS directly. I dream of horses ^{(Contribs) (Talk)} 04:05, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Christopher Luxon roles

Hi 35waita (and thanks for the tag, I dream of horses). I hope the page makes sense to you now? Rather than using—primarily—the Linkedin page, or blog pages from the branding companies, we are now citing RNZ and NZ Herald articles, both of which refer to his former role at Unilever explicitly (ctrl+f or cmd+f will let you search for “CEO” to confirm). Obviously it would be nice to also see some primary source on a Unilever website to double confirm, but RNZ and the Herald are both trustworthy, reliable sources, so calling him CEO and president based on their reporting is about the best we usually expect.
I know Wikipedia can be a bit of a mixed bag for getting into disagreements with people—some people are lovely, and others will ruin your whole day—but I generally try to be reasonable with people, so I hope you feel you can always talk to me directly. Do let me know if there’s anything else you’re worried about, too! … Even if it’s totally unrelated to Luxon! Cheers — HTGS (talk) 21:34, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm unable to access the Herald article as it is pay walled. However I contacted Guyon Espiner, author of the RNZ article. Here is his response -

Guyon Espiner

Thu, 23 Nov, 14:44 (20 hours ago)

to me

Hi there,

I think most of the career stuff was sourced from his Linked In page

https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-luxon-bb701b195/details/experience/

So we're still quoting social media as fact! This is the problem that I have with recent articles and their sourcing info from unverified sources. I can only assume the same about the Herald article (that I can't see anyway). My links to Luxon's role at Unilever as GM pre-date any 'spin' or white-washing that has occurred since 2018 . They date to the time that Luxon was actually in Toronto. They are are from business publications, so I'm sure they would be fairly accurate.

For the record I have no bias here, it's just that this President and CEO title sounded a bit self-aggrandising. He is titled in my links as GM, which was his first role at AirNZ.

It's my hope that we can resolve this, but we need to impartial and accurate, two things that social media is not.

I have also tried to get some purchase from Unilever directly, but that went down the social media rabbithole too. 35waita (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

I think at the point we start questioning what RNZ has published, we are on a dead heading outside of our purview. We rely on reliable publishers to an extreme degree on Wikipedia, and while you may be right, as a citizen, to suggest that RNZ or anyone else investigate Luxon’s corporate history, to put such an extra hurdle in our own path, as editors, would cripple the encyclopaedia. These news organisations have to establish for themselves what to investigate and fact-check, and their institutional experience and editorial decision-making is the exact reason we value their reportage as the building blocks of our own articles.
At this point, it is the word of the NZ publications against the few blogs you brought up (which, as I pointed out, may have easily been using more generic terms in their list of “who we worked with” simply because they didn’t investigate at all what the titles were of their contacts at Unilever), and I know where I will fall on such a he-said, she-said. In the case that new information comes to light, we will report on that too; for now, I would contend that we are certainly not misleading anyone. — HTGS (talk) 23:22, 23 November 2023 (UTC)