User talk:50.230.141.54

May 2023

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Apologies I didn't explain why. The main reason why is that most Scholars don't use the word "Yaweh" as the original Hebrew tetragrammaton (יהוה) does not have vowel markings. And the Tetragrammaton was only said in the temple. After the temple was destroyed, we have no clue how יהוה (or in English YHWH) was pronounced. The Word "Yaweh" is just one guess among many. Many Scholars will use יהוה/YHWH or say the other name for the Hebrew God "Adonai" (The Lord).

If the wikipedia article takes "Yaweh" as the name of God as face value, it could be other names too like "Yewoh" or "Yeewih" or "Yeewoha" simply because we don't know what vowels they used. And its also more respectful to say "YHWY" to those communities as you're not pre-supposing something that isn't confirmed or true.

The instance of "Yaweh" first appears in Greek Translations in the 2nd Century, by Christians who we don't know if they were Jews before or just gentiles. We have no data to indicate that their pronunciation is the correct pronunciation. So this is to say to be safe and respectful to just use "YHWH" to not push false ideas of the name of the Abrahamic God. 50.230.141.54 (talk) 15:27, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, and thanks for replying. One problem is the blind substitution of YHWH for "Yahweh" results in phrases like "while the proper name YHWH represented by the tetragrammaton ..." which just makes it harder for the reader to understand, since YHWH is the tetragrammaton.

A bigger problem is Wikipedia's policy is to use the terminology that our sources use. Despite your assertions above, many of our sources use the name "Yahweh"; for example A Social History of Hebrew, Identity in Conflict: The Struggle between Esau and Jacob, Edom and Israel, Edom, Israel's Brother and Antagonist: The Role of Edom in Biblical Prophecy, The Oxford History of the Biblical World, Ve-Eileh Divrei David: Essays in Semitics, Hebrew Bible and History of Biblical Scholarship, and many more. Being "respectful" is not a concern here; see WP:NOTCENSORED, but using standard terminology is a concern. CodeTalker (talk) 15:57, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for replying and I understand the concern about the sentence structure, that is honestly my bad.

However I would also Like to point out in each of these sources that are used, they use YHWH and will have the word "Yaweh" in them as they quote either a biblical text or older sources from the late 20th century. Not everyone but they do use both.

The only source that doesn't use "YHWH" at all, is the Oldest source from 2001 "The Oxford History of the Biblical World"

I understand standard terminology and we can change the sentence structure. At the same time, modern English bible editions like ASV, KJV, ERV, and NEV use "Jehova" in places and many more translations as we know them just use the word Lord. Except in Hebrew Bible Translations.

I understand if you don't think it'd be an appropriate change however I think its important to acknowledge that using the term "Yaweh" is just using the most popular name, which Christians and Jews don't really say that. 50.230.141.54 (talk) 16:45, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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