User talk:Antananarivo261

Don't remove chart names

Regarding this edit, don't remove "International" from the name of Greece's chart. If you had noticed, that chart does not include Greek-language songs, which an overall chart measuring the most popular songs in Greece surely would. Therefore we cannot call it or imply through omission that it is the overall Greek chart because it simply isn't. Please also leave edit summaries for your edits. Thank you. Ss112 08:31, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

Well, you're right about that chart only includes international songs but then you should go and edit every single pages of thousands of songs because all the time what I see is that it's simply written as just Greece, not Greece International. I just wanted to make this one look like others. Antananarivo261 (talk) 09:14, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

I already notified Wikipedia talk:Record charts and edited hundreds of articles to change "Greece" to "Greece International" before I even saw this reply, so now you have no reason to not "make it look like the others" because most recent articles will/should all say "Greece International". Regardless, I was not obligated to do this, but rather, you and whoever adds this Greek chart should give it an accurate name. Also, is your sole intent on Wikipedia to update charts? In the past week you've updated two charts that I regularly do like you were waiting for them to update. I will not be competing with you or any other editor on this website to do things first, and I don't know why you've decided to do start doing this. I am sure in the world of charts you can find some nobody else bothers to do instead of ones editors like myself have done for years. Ss112 00:39, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

Uhhmmm I'm really confused. I'm sorry but what are you talking about really? You replied a two months old message as if nothing happened in between. After your message I added dozens, probably hundreds of Greek chart peaks. I listened to you and wrote 'Greek International' to all of them as you said. I also spent a lot of time, literally days, searching archives and adding peaks for older songs too. So, you didn't really notice all my efforts despite yourself also editing those pages all the time and now randomly responding two months later? I don't really know what to say.

Also, is your sole intent on Wikipedia to update charts?

I mean, what is this question really? I had other accounts in the past and edited different contents like film awards, sport organizations etc. Now I'm interested in chart following and happened to spend time with it on Wikipedia gradually over the summer. Do I have to explain you my interests?

In the past week you've updated two charts that I regularly do like you were waiting for them to update. I will not be competing with you or any other editor on this website to do things first, and I don't know why you've decided to do start doing this. I am sure in the world of charts you can find some nobody else bothers to do instead of ones editors like myself have done for years.

I literally have no idea what charts you are talking about. I usually edit and archive mostly ignored charts like Iceland, Greece, Bulgaria, Luxembourg, Indonesia etc. Occasionally if I see nobody has edited an updated well-known chart yet, I edit them too. I don't follow which editors edit which charts. If there is such kind of division of labor thing, nobody let me know until now. The funny thing is that you say you don't compete for edits but from the things you wrote, you obviously do, which is really bizarre to me.

Lastly, you may have been doing contributions for charts for years and I appreciate that but you have been unreasonably hostile to me from the very beginning. Firstly among all the charts that doesn't have an 'International' title like India chart or Malaysia chart you spotted one Greece edit and immediately came after me. Even after I totally followed your advices about Greek chart name and leaving edit summaries, you sent another very aggressive message two months later out of the blue.

I have been doing chart editing for three months now and nobody other than you has had any problem about my edits here. So I don't believe that you had any good intention by sending this utterly unnecessary, condescending, totally bad-faithed and paranoid message. And you know what? I'm really done. Like I said, I've been mostly covering ignored charts and songs because it seemed to me no one really cared about adding and archiving them for so long but I will stop editing right now. I really don't want to have this kind of conversation in my life, even online. I hope it doesn't take another two months for you to read this message. I wish you a very successful Wikipedia career. Have a nice day. Antananarivo261 (talk) 03:40, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

In the grand scheme of things, you haven't made that many edits for anybody to even really notice yet. I leave talk page messages for users all the time if I have or see issues with their editing in regards to charts, so I personally think it's only fitting I would be the first to leave you a talk page message as I'm probably the most archive chart-focused editor on the website. You are not seeing all of the talk page messages I leave for others, so you seem to think I'm "singling" you out and that I came here in bad faith in August when I didn't. You are absolutely not the first user I approached about specifying "Greece International", and as I already told you, I even posted a thread about it at Wikipedia talk:Record charts, which wasn't about you or your edits. You were one of many who have added that chart, and you had been regularly adding it at that point, hence my also approaching you.

In regards to India and Malaysia, if they only purport to track international (non-Indian or non-Malaysian) songs, then they should be changed too. I don't notice every single chart posted; I have only taken particular notice of the Greek charts because of how sloppily they've been added by various users and left unarchived for previous week's positions.

I was referring to you updating the Flanders chart and the Portuguese chart this week—I've been updating those regularly for years. Regardless of what you just said, you must be regularly checking charts to see if they've updated, because on Sunday night (my time), you clearly knew the Flanders chart had just updated as you began to update it 15 minutes after it had updated. The Portuguese chart just updated with week 40's data overnight, and I think you were obviously checking that regularly to notice it overnight (my time) too. That's not "paranoia", that's fact. You must be checking those charts regularly (in the case of Portugal) or know when they update (in the case of Flanders). That is also why I just said "I will not compete with you"—I don't want to have to make sure I'm right there on the dot updating a chart to know it's done properly as I take care in what I do, making sure I use the correct formatting and date formats, which I cannot ensure from you or any other editor. Now, is there a "division of labor"? No. But I daresay if you had been updating charts or anything statistic-related on Wikipedia for as long as me and the other editors who do, to have somebody come along and take over doing it so soon after the charts update is a bit annoying, regardless of the editor not having any bad intentions and only updating something they had seen had not been updated yet.

Finally, and certainly most importantly, as for you admitting that you have had previous accounts: Were they blocked? If they were and still remain blocked, you are not allowed to edit Wikipedia. Ss112 04:31, 19 October 2022 (UTC)

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February 2023

Hello, I'm Serge, an Admin here on Wikipedia. Please be aware of Wikipedia's "No Personal Attacks" policy. You violated it when you decided to call another editor "evil and lifeless" (???). Please stay civil when interacting with editors, and comment on content, not editors. There's simply no reason a simple talk about music charts needed to escalate like that. Sergecross73 msg me 12:36, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Please, it was not a 'simple talk'. It was a very demeaning gaslighting. As you can easily see above, he/she/they made so many paranoid claims just because I happened to edit some charts that day before them edited those. Then, while they kinda realized their claims were totally baseless and started editing their replies to make them seem 'innocent' and 'grounded' with a disingenuous 'apology', at the same moment they were reporting me to you without any reason and accused me of a being sockpuppet. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sergecross73/Archive_93#User_previously_edited_under_different_accounts). It says " who edit charts in the manner". Which manner for god's sake? You can check my edit history, it's all there. After I left this place, many charts I had looked after like Greece and Iceland have been stopped being added systematically or being added without archives etc.

I've seen many contributors, including longtime editors, have stopped editing because of that user's unpleasant conduct, arrogant attitude and gatekeeping habits. I, too, haven't been and won't be editing anyway. So maybe you should stop giving that person free pass harassing other editors in their talk pages. Have a good day. Antananarivo261 (talk) 13:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

I didn't take back anything I said. I always edit my replies on people's talk pages. I don't consider the paragraph I wrote that you reverted an apology despite saying "apologies"; it was more of an explanation.

I've seen many contributors, including longtime editors, have stopped editing because of that user's unpleasant conduct This makes it sound like you've been stalking me before or since, despite me never having any contact with you before I left the messages above last year, neither since then, and despite you registering this account in 2022. Who are you talking about? Please don't claim things without evidence. I don't believe any "longterm editors" have retired after interacting with me, so where you got this "many" from, I have literally no idea. Sure, some newbies have drama quit after I've given them a template warning, but they frequently do this after pushback from any editor, that's not what you claimed and there'd be no way for you to know this unless you were going through each and every talk page message I've left another editor, which I sincerely doubt even if you do indeed stalk me. Come on. You accuse me of gaslighting then you just invent things? Make it make sense.

gaslighting Oh please. This word has become so overused on the Internet nowadays, it's lost all meaning and I can't take anybody seriously who throws this word out on Wikipedia. Everything people say on this website is saved in edit histories—it's quite hard to "gaslight" when there's literal evidence you can find. Nonsense.

Accused me of being a sockpuppet You admitted above you have edited under at least one different account. Without declaring what account that was, you're a sockpuppet in my book.

haven't been and won't be editing anyway ...Yet you're still replying and despite declaring your retirement, still reverted me earlier today with a disgusting personal attack. Gross behaviour on your part and you still think you have a moral high-ground over me after saying that. My saying "apologies" was not an apology and I wouldn't apologise now after your disgraceful conduct anyway. Revert this if it makes you feel better, but stop claiming you're retiring while continuing to edit. Ss112 14:19, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• I'll be real with you - I do not understand why either of your are so heated about something as simple as tracking music charts. I think you both should cool down and disengage. But only you, Antananarivo261, escalated to name-calling, so that's why you received a warning. Don't do that. Sergecross73 msg me 16:03, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• @Sergecross73: I didn't even mention the word "charts". I'm not arguing about charts anymore. I was fine to leave this in 2022, but Antana threw out some accusations above (that I've made "long-term editors" quit from my messages and that I "gaslighted") so I was responding to those. Ss112 05:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)