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Happy editing! Cheers, Devokewater 14:13, 18 September 2023 (UTC)
Staying NPOV
[edit]I noted your objectives regarding Blackpool - and advocacy is a great thing.
I would be cautious about bloating the article too much - a lot of your added content will likely get deleted - it is very POV and a lot of the adds are not cited. It makes the town sound like a magnificent cultural capital - IMHO rebalancing the whole article - including your 'mission' - would better serve the WP ethos.
A lot of the content is embellished and bloated - anyone who is familiar with the town would note this.
Striving for balance might be a better mission. BeingObjective (talk) 17:38, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Hi, agreeing with the above. Please only use reliable sources. For instance, you have an almost direct quote from https://schoolofeverything.com, which is a commercial site, using a peacock phrase about someone who does not appear notable. And be careful about only including information which is sourced - for instance, you have made statements about the reasons for closure of Marton Operatic Society which are not given in the reference. And avoid naming non-notable people (people without articles) - see WP:BLPNAME - such as the founders of Cou-Cou Theatre Productions. I wondered if you have a conflict of interest about any of the content you have added - are you involved with any of these organisations, or work on the publications that have written about them? If so, please see WP:COI. Tacyarg (talk) 17:48, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- Thank you both for the feedback. I will comb through the latest additions on AmDram later this evening. It's a difficult one to write about because there's not much coverage, but they are notable locally. I'm not involved in them.
- I have also written about economy, politics etc, and there's much more to come. In terms of culture, once it's 'complete' I'm looking to move it all to a culture of blackpool page and thin out what's on the main page. There's precedent for this with lots of towns and cities. AntoniaStack (talk) 18:10, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think that is a better broader mission - I took the liberty of taking two sections - made them (I hope) more concise - I think when you strip away a lot of the bloat - it gives the community a chance to softly promote - without defeating the ethos of WP as a project.
- I am certain my changes will upset folks - it is the way of things - I recall the town from about 1964 - so I think my take is objective - BeingObjective (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think the sections you have edited are my work, and I'll trust your judgement. I appreciate the collaboration and I'll bear your feedback in mind. I'm certainly not trying to present a skewed image of Blackpool. Its problems are well documented and represented where appropriate. As a project we've covered economy, politics, demographics, regeneration tourism and now culture. There is a rich culture here and lots of cultural heritage to highlight but it was completely missing from the page. There is a lengthy section on music which I didn't write and isn't comprehensive despite its length. Yet there was nothing on visual or performing arts despite the town being famous for the latter. It's interesting to me that the only feedback I have been getting it on the cultural section. Do people not want to read about the positive things? (not directed at you, just an observation). AntoniaStack (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- I usually focus on science and medicine articles. So I am not really that well informed about this type of article. I think it is really just an encyclopedia - but it amazes me that 70 million folks read it and it feeds a lot of other Internet material - you get a lot of circular references. I am not really a true Wikpedian - I'm a US Physician -- raised in the north of England though. The article is encyclopedic - but I think stating that - there is a lot of flexibility for creative writing if the tone is correct. I am sure some folks are going to be really upset with my changes - but there is so much trivial data in this article - I'm going to leave it for a while - see want the response is. They do say it is okay to be bold in edits - but I have found - folks will accuse others of vandalism if it is their pet article and there are many page watchers and really - trolls on here - BeingObjective (talk) 20:15, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
- A good AI proposed structure for the bigger article looks something like:
- I. Introduction
- A. Definition and Overview of Victorian Seaside Resorts
- B. Historical Context of the Victorian Era
- II. Development of Victorian Seaside Resorts
- A. Early Origins and Influences
- B. Factors Driving Seaside Resort Growth
- C. Key Figures and Influential Personalities
- III. Architectural and Urban Planning Aspects
- A. Victorian Architecture in Seaside Resorts
- B. Design and Layout of Victorian Seaside Towns
- C. Landmarks and Prominent Structures
- IV. Social and Cultural Impact
- A. Role of Seaside Resorts in Victorian Society
- B. Victorian Seaside Leisure Activities
- C. Impact on Fashion, Art, and Literature
- V. Economic Significance
- A. Tourism and the Victorian Seaside Economy
- B. Employment and Trade in Seaside Resort Towns
- C. Business and Entrepreneurship in the Victorian Seaside Industry
- VI. Decline and Revival
- A. Factors Contributing to the Decline of Victorian Seaside Resorts
- B. Conservation and Preservation Efforts
- C. Contemporary Adaptations and Modern Resurgence
- VII. Notable Victorian Seaside Resorts
- A. Overview of Major Resorts
- B. Unique Features of Specific Resorts
- C. Comparison of Popular Destinations
- VIII. Legacy and Influence
- A. Lasting Impact on Tourism and Urban Planning
- B. Cultural and Historical Significance
- C. Modern Perceptions and Nostalgia
- IX. Criticism and Controversies
- A. Social Issues Associated with Victorian Seaside Resorts
- B. Environmental Concerns and Conservation Challenges
- C. Debates Surrounding Cultural Appropriation
- X. References
- A. Academic Sources
- B. Primary Documents and Historical Records
- C. Further Reading
- XI. External Links
- A. Relevant Websites and Resources
- B. Online Archives and Exhibitions
- C. Tourism Boards and Local Government Websites BeingObjective (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I think looking at other examples is worth the effort and I have no clue how groups of editors collaborate on WP - I do think this all could look fragmented and piecemeal if there is not collaboration and a total rework of the framework - I think we are all a little afraid of upsetting prior editors - well, I certainly am - obviously, folks spent time on this - BeingObjective (talk) 16:17, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
- I don't think the sections you have edited are my work, and I'll trust your judgement. I appreciate the collaboration and I'll bear your feedback in mind. I'm certainly not trying to present a skewed image of Blackpool. Its problems are well documented and represented where appropriate. As a project we've covered economy, politics, demographics, regeneration tourism and now culture. There is a rich culture here and lots of cultural heritage to highlight but it was completely missing from the page. There is a lengthy section on music which I didn't write and isn't comprehensive despite its length. Yet there was nothing on visual or performing arts despite the town being famous for the latter. It's interesting to me that the only feedback I have been getting it on the cultural section. Do people not want to read about the positive things? (not directed at you, just an observation). AntoniaStack (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2023 (UTC)
On your own on the Blackpool diatribe
[edit]This often happens when the old guard catches wind of radical changes - seems a problem with WP.
I think you are limited to the adds that do not upset - my changes were fairly radical - but I am not getting into edit wars with the establishment.
I think the reversions also killed at lot of other good edits - it is a consensus platform - and perhaps my changes were on the dramatic side.
Good luck. BeingObjective (talk) 16:59, 14 November 2023 (UTC)