User talk:Aponar Kestrel

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Shonen Jump spellings[edit]

Please see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style for Japan-related articles for the eventual results of this discussion, which (unfortunately for the casual browser) was originally carried out across multiple pages. --Aponar Kestrel

Just a reminder - Please do not change circumflexes to macrons in any Shonen Jump-related manga (barring Ruroni Kenshin, which uses macrons) - the U.S. Shonen Jump magazine uses circumflexes instead of macrons and many related proper nouns (E.g. Tenka'ichi Budôkai and Anna Kyôyama) show this.

And spellings like "Yugi Mutou" need not be changed because Shonen Jump spells his name that way. I will be changing the macrons back to circumflexes in that article in about a minute. :) WhisperToMe 20:44, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In most cases, I'm happy to use proper-Manual of style spellings and such next to the "official" spellings. But I don't see why macrons and circumflexes should be in the same article like that. The "Accent-thingy" is a circumflex and works exactly the same way as a macron does. Then, what would be the point of having both in the article in cases like Anna Kyôyama? With the majority of non-Shonen Jump manga, macrons are used by default because official publications don't specify. WhisperToMe 20:58, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It wouldn't matter how Shonen Jump romanized her name if they weren't the official publisher of Shaman King manga in the United States. But as they are the official publisher of Shaman King manga in the United States, they get to spell her name differently (Likewise with Nekketsu Koha: Kunio-Kun, the whole series didn't get English releases under all of the same "names" so this article should conform to style) - Also, many articles on Europeans have the diatritical mark there, with a redirect from the non-marked versions of the name. (E,G, Gerhard Schroeder -> Gerhard Schröder).

Speaking of which, this is why redirects are so beautiful. If one punches in "Anna Kyoyama", one is lead to the circumflexed title. Wikipedia should use their romanization system because they have the rights to publish the manga in the U.S. - Also, the MoS says "Wikipedia is an English encyclopedia. An English word or name with a Japanese origin should be used in its English form in the body of an article, even if that is pronounced or spelled differently from the properly romanized Japanese form: use Mount Fuji, Tokyo, jiu jitsu, shogi and not Fujisan, Tōkyō, jūjutsu, shōgi. Give the romanized Japanese form in the opening paragraph if it differs from the English form (see below). See Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)." And technically Anna Kyôyama is an English form. If we followed what you are saying, then "Yu-Gi-Oh!" would be moved to "Yugio". WhisperToMe 21:33, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Yes, it seems weird I'm thanking you now; but my last Shonen Jump revealed:

  • The magazine uses circumflexes in text relating to "Whistle!", but once inside the actual manga, macrons are used!

Now I am convinced that manga besides Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z and Naruto (Which have circumflexes used in the actual manga) and possibly One Piece and Shaman King (As they haven't yet used macrons but circumflexes are used in introductory pages) should default to circumflexes. I'm thanking you for reverting the circumflexes in the Yugi Mutou article. WhisperToMe 02:02, 28 Jul 2004 (UTC)

... uh, just doing my job? --Aponar Kestrel 03:05, 2004 Jul 28 (UTC)

This text seems to convince me that ecchi means perverted in English (not Japanese, of course) "The word is often used in the context of manga and anime in Japan and the United States. However, its use in the United States is more general in its reference to something that would be considered "perverted" and carries different connotations than allowed for by the original Japanese." Straight from the Ecchi article itself... (And I moved it because ecchi hasn't surfaced in any dictionary... yet - But I moved it back) WhisperToMe 04:26, 6 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Kanji romanization[edit]

I see you fixed the romanization in the Kanji article. When I changed the instances of on-yomi and kun-yomi to onyomi and kunyomi I completely overlooked the fact that I was screwing them up! Thanks for catching that (and all the other changes that I have to assume are correct). - dcljr 02:00, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Meioh setsuna REDIRECT[edit]

I believe that the lower case version is better as a redirect, because it will get people to the proper article, with proper caps, faster since that is the first variation checked; see Wikipedia:Go button. Either capitalization of the redirect page, they end up at the correctly captitalized and ordered name. Google, etc. has gotten people used to caps-insensitive searching. I just want to get people to the desired info as fast as possible, and I believe a l/c redirect gets them there faster. If you want to slow down users, I won't revert, but I suggest you consider the limitations of WP searches and the big picture before you decide what's "best" for a REDIRECT! Niteowlneils 05:14, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Your request just slows down users, without changing what they see. Are you sure that is what you want? Niteowlneils 05:23, 23 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Argument to move Meio/Kaio/Teno back to Meioh/Kaioh/Tenoh[edit]

I posted an argument at Talk:Sailor Moon JUST to get the article titles for Meio/Kaio/Teno to be moved back to the "oh" form, with an explanation that those spellings are NONSTANDARD romanizations (And the Japanese manga seems to spell their names that way too) - WhisperToMe 01:58, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Kanji revisited[edit]

I noticed after switching "rules" 1 and 2 concerning choosing the pronunciation of Kanji that you were the one who originally switched them. I assume you did this based on "validity" (prevalence of exceptions)? If so, go ahead and switch them back, but phrase the first one as "Kanji occuring...", not just "Compounds...". Thanks. - dcljr 00:00, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Eh, I just rewrote most of the section. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 04:02, 2004 Sep 2 (UTC)
Wait, shouldn't karaage be karāge and kageboushi be kagebōshi? Or am I on crack? (See Romaji.) - dcljr 04:42, 5 Sep 2004 (UTC)
Notsomuch. I don't think macrons should extend across morpheme boundaries: thus お母さん okāsan, 天皇 tennō, 宇宙 uchū but 空揚げ karaage, 雇う yatou, 幕内 makuuchi. (Maybe these should be kara-age and maku-uchi -- I think there's a non-phonemic glottal stop in there, but I can't check right now.) Kageboushi is just wapuro, though; thanks for catching it. --Aponar Kestrel (talk) 14:51, 2004 Sep 5 (UTC)

Relating Sarin gas attack on the Tokyo subway[edit]

  • You forgot someone who is well known in the English language in the Western naming order. His name is Shoko Asahara. Just because he isn't well known in Western world in general doesn't mean he isn't known BETTER under one particular naming order.

In addition, other Aum articles, even those that I didn't start, use Western naming order. WhisperToMe 21:53, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Relating to the other comment, there is one other way I check for naming orders. I look on CNN and the English Mainichi Shimbun to see what they do. And both put these names in English order. WhisperToMe 22:03, 26 Sep 2004 (UTC)


Hi, Aponar. :) You were the nominator of the article on Astrochicken for VfD. I'm letting everyone who voted on it know that I have placed it on Wikipedia:Votes for Undeletion. I would appreciate any comments there that you may have. func(talk) 16:59, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing[edit]

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1
I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:


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I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

Dispute tag[edit]

Why is there a dispute tag on this user page? The sole text of the page is "Aponar Kestrel is a Wikipedia user." This doesn't seem like the sort of information that is typically subject to dispute. Is there any serious controversy over whether Aponar Kestrel is a Wikipedia user? Ken Arromdee 19:12, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes. Under the Artificial Sentience Treaty of 2056, I do not legally qualify as a user.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 00:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


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Talk:Practical joke[edit]

Hi - When you edited this page, you removed some other people's comments. Could you please restore them? Thanks -SCEhardT 08:59, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Glaah. Thanks for pointing that out; I think I reverted to a previous version by accident. I've fixed it.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 16:54, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! -SCEhardT 17:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Anime/manga naming conventions[edit]

Hi AK, please don't feel like you need to withdraw from the discussion on naming conventions ... you pointed out pretty much the same inconsistencies and problems with Ned's reasoning that I did but for some reason he took yours largely as a personal attack (honestly at first I wasn't sure if he was writing to you or to me!). This is one of those topics I wish we could quickly resolve and move on to other things, but I fear a resolution is not going to be easy when a common understanding of the problem and applicable conventions hasn't even been reached yet. CES 02:14, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, well. I was getting irritated. Besides, I'm not withdrawing entirely; I'm just ... stepping back to catch my breath.  –Aponar Kestrel (talk) 02:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Rubber Merchant[edit]

Yeah, I don't get the point either. I've had it happen a few times where a copyvio'd article is resolved, but is still worthy of deletion. Oh well, if only I were an admin.  : ) --cholmes75 (chit chat) 20:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

The Kohta Hirano dispute guy is asking for a protection for the Kohta Hirano article[edit]

See [1]

Bakemono is trying really hard to get it at Kouta Hirano. WhisperToMe 20:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Um, hello... ^^;[edit]

Sorry I keep finding you (if you are who I think you are), but... AMK?!? Heh. --Galaxiaad 17:48, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Oops, that'd be AMKestrel from the anime chat on Napster years ago, but I guess I was mistaken so please ignore! ^^;;; --Galaxiaad 17:07, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs[edit]

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Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 19:26, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

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