User talk:Ashanza5

Hi, I have reverted your addition to George Bain (academic) as it did not read neutrally and was not well-referenced. For instance, you included in the lead "whose teaching and research has increased understanding of labour markets and institutions" but did not evidence this with a referenced statement in the body of the article, and you added unreferenced statements about his parents, education, children and career. You also removed references from the previous version of the article. I will post a Welcome with some information about referencing. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 21:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Tacyarg, thank you for your welcome to Wikipedia and for the points you made in relation to my edits. My intention in making these was to correct errors, fill in gaps in the information on the existing page, address any imbalances between events, and remove any non-neutral or unreferenced text, for example, the disparaging reference to George Bain’s predecessor under ‘Career at Queen’s’. I will keep your points about non-neutral language and use of references in mind when I submit revised edits in the next few days, and I will welcome your comments when I do. Best wishes, Ashanza5 Ashanza5 (talk) 15:44, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Good point about Gordon Beveridge, I have taken that passage out. You're welcome to remove any other unsourced text, or to add references to it. Best wishes, Tacyarg (talk) 20:17, 3 August 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, Tacyarg. As you may have seen, I’ve just added my revised edits to George Bain’s Wikipedia page. These are major edits to correct factual errors, fill in significant gaps in information, address imbalances in content, improve coherence, enhance references, and removed all non-neutral material as follows:

1. Inclusion of new, more complete, and well-referenced sections on early and personal life. Note that Who’s Who is the definitive source for genealogical and other information about people who are deemed worthy enough to be included. The mention of hobbies is reinforced by a link to the website on George Bain’s published family histories.

2. The “Career” section now has three sub-headings: academic, public service, and non-executive directorships. The previous page listed activities under “Academic Career”, which was inaccurate and misleading as Bain’s career included many activities beyond the purely academic. In addition, the previous “Career” section dealt primarily with his career at Queen’s University, and not the University of Manitoba, University of Warwick, and London Business School. It also gave a separate section to his chairmanship of the Independent Review of the Fire Service (2002). There is no logical reason for this, as this role was only one and certainly not the most important – nor the most newsworthy – of the many Commissions he chaired. The additional information has been strongly referenced.

3. I have also added a new section – “Awards & Honours”, which was missing from the previous page, and re-worded the “See Also” section. Again, these are both strongly referenced.

4. I've added a photo as well.

I will also correct some fundamental errors in the side panel For example, Bain was not a “railway worker”,  and Jack Butterworth and Clark Brundin were not Presidents of Warwick Business School but Vice Chancellors of the University of Warwick. And there should also be a reference to his role as Director, Industrial Relations Unit, University of Warwick, 1974-1981, which was an important position and was missing from the previous page.

I would welcome your comments. Best wishes, Ashanza5 Ashanza5 (talk) 18:58, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Welcome!

Hello, Ashanza5, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page George Bain (academic) did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed. Wikipedia articles should refer only to facts and interpretations verified in reliable, reputable print or online sources or in other reliable media. Always provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed. Wikipedia also has a related policy against including original research in articles.

If you are stuck and looking for help, please see the guide for citing sources or come to The Teahouse, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need personal help ask me on my talk page, or . Again, welcome.  Tacyarg (talk) 21:27, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Help me!

Please help me with... I'm attempting to correct the sidebar for the George Bain (academic) page but am having difficulty with adding new parameters. I would be grateful if someone could advise. Many thanks. Ashanza5 Ashanza5 (talk) 19:03, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

(I fixed the link in your query.) What are you trying to change, what have you tried? I don't see a recent edit from you there. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, Uther. Do you know why the "this article has multiple issues" tag has suddenly appeared? How can I address this? Ashanza Ashanza5 (talk) 19:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

You haven't answered the question that UtherSRG asked. What parameter are you trying to add and what have you tried? I'm going to disarm the help tag whist awaiting your reply, remove the '-helped' from it when you have replied - Rich^T|C|E-Mail 01:53, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

I put those tags there. I believe they are valuable in getting other editors to take a look at the article and help fix it. What is your connection to Bain? - UtherSRG (talk) 11:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Uther, thank you for your comments. I am happy to address these, but I need your help to do so.

If you feel the article lacks inline citations, can you please explain what these mean and where this is the case.

I don’t see, however, why the other tags are valuable, nor do I understand your reference to “fixing” the page, so I’d be grateful if you could be more explicit in identifying the issues. In particular:

·       In what specific ways does the page need to be re-written to comply with Wikipedia’s quality standards?

·       In what way is the citation style unclear?

·       How does the article read like a press release? The information it contains is unbiased, objective, and well-referenced; there is no evidence of self-promotion. If you disagree, can you please highlight where you think this appears and I will correct it.

·       What do you mean by saying it may be largely based on routine coverage? It contains verifiable information on Bain’s life and career.

I have been a professional copy editor for many years and George Bain engaged me to edit his autobiography last summer. It was while doing this that I realised ‘his’ previous Wikipedia page contained several factual errors and that there were also significant omissions in relation to his career. In the interests of accuracy, I made several substantial corrections to this page some months ago. In response to a Wikipedia editor’s comments, I then made some revisions, and he seemed content with them. Since then, the page has remained untouched, aside from a few very minor stylistic amendments by other Wikipedians.

I posted my help query because, although I was able to amend some inaccuracies in the side bar, I’ve been unable to insert a reference to Bain’s role as Director of the Industrial Relations Research Unit at the University of Warwick, which is a major omission. I would be grateful if you would tell me how to do so. Ashanza5 (talk) 22:19, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

See WP:REFB for learning how to do references. It's listed above, as well, in the welcome you received from Tacyarg. As for George Bain engaged me to edit his autobiography: you must read and comply with WP:COI and WP:PAY. Failure to do so will mean the revocation of your editing privileges. After you have done what is required for a paid coi editor, you can go to the WP:Teahouse and ask for help in improving the article. - UtherSRG (talk) 12:45, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi Uther, as you may have seen, three Wikipedia editors have amended this page, both in terms of editing citations and in re-writing some of the sections.  These changes, for which I’m very grateful, have significantly improved the article, and I’ve now added some more internet references for further verification.  I’ve also made a disclosure statement in the edit summary in relation to my connection with George Bain, including the fact that I was paid for my time correcting the previous errors in the page. As these edits have answered the need for additional citations, clean-up of the page and disclosure of my status, the tags relating to these issues are no longer valid and can be removed. There is still the tag, however, which states that the page reads like a resume. It is a factual summary of George Bain’s career which I believe reads more like an encyclopaedic entry, reflecting Wikipedia’s guidelines. If you disagree, I’d appreciate it if you could advise me on how to address the issue.

I’ll also contact the Teahouse to ask for help in correcting the sidebar.

Thanks for your help, and best wishes, Ashanza5 Ashanza5 (talk) 17:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Before you do that, see the notice I placed below. You must comply. Your edit summary on the article is insufficient. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:43, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

February 2024

Hello Ashanza5. The nature of your edits, such as the one you made to George Bain (academic), gives the impression you have an undisclosed financial stake in promoting a topic, but you have not complied with Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure requirements. Paid advocacy is a category of conflict of interest (COI) editing that involves being compensated by a person, group, company or organization to use Wikipedia to promote their interests. Undisclosed paid advocacy is prohibited by our policies on neutral point of view and what Wikipedia is not, and is an especially serious type of COI; the Wikimedia Foundation regards it as a "black hat" practice akin to black-hat search-engine optimization.

Paid advocates are strongly discouraged from direct article editing, and should instead propose changes on the talk page of the article in question if an article exists. If the article does not exist, paid advocates are strongly discouraged from attempting to write an article at all. At best, any proposed article creation should be submitted through the articles for creation process, rather than directly.

Regardless, if you are receiving or expect to receive compensation for your edits, broadly construed, you are required by the Wikimedia Terms of Use to disclose your employer, client and affiliation. You can post such a mandatory disclosure to your user page at User:Ashanza5. The template {{Paid}} can be used for this purpose – e.g. in the form: {{paid|user=Ashanza5|employer=InsertName|client=InsertName}}. If I am mistaken – you are not being directly or indirectly compensated for your edits – please state that in response to this message. Otherwise, please provide the required disclosure. In either case, do not edit further until you answer this message. You must make the declaration on your userpage or have your editing privileges revoked. UtherSRG (talk) 17:38, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Uther, thanks for your prompt replies. I was under the impression that disclosing my status in the edit summary was sufficient. This is clearly stated on the Wikipedia: Paid-contribution Disclosure page. I have added the disclosure to my user page, but I wish to make clear that my edits were purely factual corrections in the interests of accuracy, and do not constitute paid advocacy or topic promotion in any way.

Given the additional references that I and other editors have added, I assume the tags referring to citations can now be removed.

Thanks again, and best wishes, Ashanza5 Ashanza5 (talk) 18:06, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Your disclosure on your user page does not meet the requirements. Please read the paragraphs above and comply with the required template. Failure to do so before making any further edits will risk your editing privileges. - - UtherSRG (talk) 18:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Uther, in that case, can you please advise on how I can comply with the template? I'm a relative newbie to Wikipedia. Thanks. Ashanza5 (talk) 18:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

If you can not comprehend the directions given above on how to use the {{paid}} template, I do not know how to make the instructions easier for you. Paste the template, change the "InsertName"s with the appropriate information, save your page. It looks like you instead had clicked on the template and grabbed the text it would create, when the point is the have the actual template, not just its internal text. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

I see you have put the template on your userpage correctly now. Thank you. - UtherSRG (talk) 13:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your help, Uther. Now is it possible for you to give me examples of where the content on the page may be perceived as not neutral? Thanks again. Ashanza5 (talk) 15:07, 17 February 2024 (UTC)