User talk:Belgesellik45

Sockpuppetry case

Your name has been mentioned in connection with a sockpuppetry case. Please refer to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever for evidence. Please make sure you make yourself familiar with the guide to responding to cases before editing the evidence page. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 20:27, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Replied in the related page.Belgesellik45 (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Where will I make Unblock Request? In User PAge or Discussion?

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Belgesellik45 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Dr. K. Claimed first about the sockpuppetry via User compare report in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Justice_Forever

Let’s look the “User Compare Report” Dr.K gave (and let’s compare Editing Habits): Justice_Forever: Vs. Belgesellik45 (me): Unique pages:11 5 (MORE vs. LESS) Edit count: 18 47 (LESS vs. MORE) Normal edit time: 22.684 31.6782 (This way, I do not think a reliable comp. can be made since JF may extend to the duration of mine if he is not blocked) Blocklog: block, Lexicon, indefinite, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY Unblock, Lexicon, unblock to change duration I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY block, Lexicon, 2 weeks, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY Combined: 0 (THERE IS NO PAGE IN COMMON IN WIKIPEDIA THAT BOTH ME AND JF EDITED)

Justice Forever Edits: Varosha, Famagusta List of states with limited recognition Portal:Cyprus ‎ Talk:Limassol ‎ Talk:Northern Cyprus ‎ File:Kaya artemis otel and holiday paradise.jpg ‎ Famagusta ‎ Template:WPTR-Invitation ‎ My Edits: Talk:Cyprus dispute ‎ Cyprus dispute Cypriot legislative election, 2011 User talk:Belgesellik45 ‎ Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever

Decline reason:

I have spent a considerable amount of time looking at editing histories, and there is no doubt whatsoever that this is a sockpuppet account of several other accounts that have been blocked as sockpuppets of Justice Forever. Whether it is also a sockpuppet of Justice Forever I neither know nor care: it is a sockpuppet account of somebody. JamesBWatson (talk) 15:29, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Belgesellik45 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

REASON 1: I am claimed to be a sockpuppet of Justice Forever via User compare report in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Justice_Forever Let’s look the “User Compare Report” (and let’s compare Editing Habits): Justice_Forever Vs. Belgesellik45 (me) Unique pages:11 5 (MORE vs. LESS) Edit count: 18 47 (LESS vs. MORE) Normal edit time: 22.684 31.6782 (This way, I do not think a reliable comp. can be made since JF may extend to the duration of mine if he is not blocked) Blocklog: block, Lexicon, indefinite, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY Unblock, Lexicon, unblock to change duration I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY block, Lexicon, 2 weeks, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY Combined: 0 (THERE IS NO PAGE IN COMMON IN WIKIPEDIA THAT BOTH ME AND JF EDITED)

Justice Forever Edits: (Editing History) Varosha, Famagusta List of states with limited recognition Portal:Cyprus ‎ Talk:Limassol ‎ Talk:Northern Cyprus ‎ File:Kaya artemis otel and holiday paradise.jpg ‎Famagusta ‎Template:WPTR-Invitation ‎ My Edits: (Editing History) Talk:Cyprus dispute ‎ Cyprus dispute Cypriot legislative election, 2011 User talk:Belgesellik45 ‎ Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever (to defend myself!) REASON 2: JamesBWatson: "I have spent A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME looking at EDITING HISTORIES, and there is no doubt whatsoever that this is a sockpuppet account of several other accounts that have been blocked as sockpuppets of Justice Forever. WHETHER IT IS ALSO A SOCKPUPPET OF JUSTICE FOREVER I NEITHER KNOW NOR CARE: it is a sockpuppet account of somebody."

EDITING HISTORIES (Justice Forever and Me) are 100% different as I proved above. I am accused of being a sockpuppet of Justice Forever.

Decline reason:

User:JamesBWatson says that he is sure you are a sockpuppet account. You request unblock on the grounds that you are not a sockpuppet of User:Justice Forever. This appears to be a tacit acknowledgement that you are a sockpuppet of someone else; an unblock would not be appropriate. FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:48, 24 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

Tacid Acknowledgments?: User:JamesBWatson)

"I have spent A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME looking at EDITING HISTORIES, and there is no doubt whatsoever that this is a sockpuppet account of several other accounts that have been blocked as sockpuppets of Justice Forever. WHETHER IT IS ALSO A SOCKPUPPET OF JUSTICE FOREVER I NEITHER KNOW NOR CARE: it is a sockpuppet account of somebody.".
= Though I spent lots of time, It is impossible for me to prove you are a socpuppet of Justice Forever.

THE TALE OF WOLF AND LAMB:
Wolf (to Lamb): "You are making my water dirty"
Lamb (to Wolf): "How can it be? You are in the upper part of the river, I am in the lower part."
Wolf (to Lamb): "I do not care wherever you are. I WILL EAT YOU" (I do not care wherever you are = WHETHER IT IS ALSO A SOCKPUPPET OF JUSTICE FOREVER I NEITHER KNOW NOR CARE)

THERE IS NO SIMILARITY AND EDITING STYLE ARE 100% DIFFERENT AS I PROVED ABOVE. I GAVE CONCRETE PROOF. CONTINUATION OF BLOCKING WAS REALIZED UPON TACIT ASSUMPTIONS!

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Belgesellik45 (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

REASON 1:
I am claimed to be a sockpuppet of Justice Forever via User compare report in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Justice_Forever Let’s look the “User Compare Report” (and let’s compare Editing Habits):
Justice_Forever Vs. Belgesellik45 (me)
Unique pages:11 5 (MORE vs. LESS)
Edit count: 18 47 (LESS vs. MORE)
Normal edit time: 22.684 31.6782 (This way, I do not think a reliable comp. can be made since JF may extend to the duration of mine if he is not blocked)
Blocklog:
block, Lexicon, indefinite, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY
Unblock, Lexicon, unblock to change duration I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY
block, Lexicon, 2 weeks, Abusing I HAVE NO BLOCK LOG CURRENTLY
Combined: 0 (THERE IS NO PAGE IN COMMON IN WIKIPEDIA THAT BOTH ME AND JF EDITED)

Justice Forever Edits: (Editing History)
Varosha, Famagusta
List of states with limited recognition
Portal:Cyprus
‎Talk:Limassol
‎ Talk:Northern Cyprus
‎File:Kaya artemis otel and holiday paradise.jpg
‎Famagusta
‎Template:WPTR-Invitation
‎My Edits: (Editing History)
Talk:Cyprus dispute
‎Cyprus dispute
Cypriot legislative election, 2011
User talk:Belgesellik45
‎Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever (to defend myself!)
REASON 2:
JamesBWatson: "I have spent A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME looking at EDITING HISTORIES, and there is no doubt whatsoever that this is a sockpuppet account of several other accounts that have been blocked as sockpuppets of Justice Forever. WHETHER IT IS ALSO A SOCKPUPPET OF JUSTICE FOREVER I NEITHER KNOW NOR CARE: it is a sockpuppet account of somebody."

EDITING HISTORIES (Justice Forever and Me) are 100% different as I proved above.
I am accused of being a sockpuppet of Justice Forever.

Decline reason:

It's entirely obvious from your editing style that you're the same person who responded many times at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Justice Forever/Archive in the "comments by accused parties" section. It doesn't matter at all whether you're the same person as the user kicked off of Wikipedia in 2007; what matters is that you're a serial abuser of multiple accounts. --jpgordon^{::==( o )} 17:12, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

I'm sorry; I didn't realize that you don't understand the word 'tacit.' I'll rephrase. You have made it clear that you are breaking Wikipedia's rule by using more than one account. No one is going to unblock you just because you say that you aren't using 'Justice Forever.' You would only be unblocked if someone was convinced that you are not using any other accounts, which is pretty obviously not true. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:13, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I did not break Wikipedia's rule (using more than one account). Rather, I proved I am completely different than the claimed sockpuppet.

On the other hand, you are right: some wiki admin must be convinced so that I am not using any other accounts for my being unblocked. That is why I am trying to do. The first time, I presented a clear proof by reading the guidelines (I am suggested to show the DIFFERENCE OF EDITING HABITS). I showed with 100% clearance. What else (what other ways) should I do (as well as showing the difference of editing habits)? Please Help. Any further suggestions/guidelines will be welcomed. Salutely Belgesellik45 (talk) 10:52, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Let us make two points clear.

This account is blocked because it is a sockpuppet account. It is clearly and unambiguously a sockpuppet of a user who has had other accounts blocked for sockpuppetry. I have established that fact by a long and painstaking comparison of the edits of this account and those of the other accounts in question, and the evidence is persuasive beyond all reasonable doubt. Those other accounts, and this one, have been stated to be sockpuppets of Justice Forever. Since I had established that this account is a sockpuppet, it was not necessary to establish whether the attribution to Justice Forever was correct or not, so, having already spent a lot of time investigating this, I didn't waste time doing so. I did not say that I could not do so, and your claim that I said that is putting words into my mouth. In any case, whether I could or could not do so if I were to try is irrelevant, as this account is a sockpuppet account, and is blocked for that reason.
You have made several unblock requests which essentially repeat the same things, and bring in no new reasons. If you do so again your talk page access will be revoked, if the reviewing administrator for your current request doesn't do so this time. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:31, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

User:JamesBWatson), thanks for your explanations. Please, do not misunderstand me. I did not accuse you of anything bad. I followed the guidelines. The first suggestion was the showing of editing styles. You may be right, there can be some similarities between me and some other Wiki users. Since I am not given to which Wikiuser I am similar to, I have no capacity to claim otherwise.

I pledge with my full sincerence to the followings:

1. I guarantee all Wikipedia fora that I will stick to my username.
2. I guarantee all Wikipedia fora that I will not request any other unblock further.
3. I apologize to all Wiki users if I disturbed in any subject.
4. If I am misunderstood by edits in any page, thereby disturb any user (if any, disturbed), I apologize again. (if I have been comprehended badly upon the above Wolf/Lamb tale, then I apologize from User:JamesBWatson personally in my full sincerence). I wrote it to get help so that my situation does not imitate the tale. So, dear User:JamesBWatson), I am open to everybody's suggestions that will make my requests essentially not repeat the same things.Belgesellik45 (talk) 12:56, 25 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]