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ADHD and impairments - Clarification and apologies
[edit]Hi, I understand you are concerned about the way scientists conceptualise ADHD, and I’d like to spend a little bit of time to clarifying my position on this.
I apologise if the reliance on data appeared heavy handed, it was intended to establish the use of the word per Wikipedia guidelines requiring a reliance on scientific consensus. Certainly I did it intended to offend anyone.
In generaldisudsions I would have addressed this in a more nuanced way. First, ADHD is a spectrum disorder as I’m sure you might know, and thus generalising one’s experience isn’t helpful. Society does indeed cause some and exacerbate some of the impairments with the disorder but does not underly the disorder itself. It is evident that it has been impairing throughout human evolution and that many of the impairments are inherent to the condition.
If changes to society eliminated the adhd impairments as you suggested, medication and CBT (treatment) would not be globally recognised as the first line interventions and research would also not be consistently showing the substantial disparities in efficacy there.
Second, to qualify for the diagnosis of ADHD, one must be experiencing adverse consequences due to their symptom expression hence why it’s considered a disorder. Some people may have always been symptomatic but unimpaired and thus don’t have ADHD and it’s possible some cases, especially milder cases, they may be able to relieve their impairments entirely through the use of accommodations but generalising that is not a helpful approach.
Third, and lastly, data shows that in many domains investigated for potential benefits or harms (such as divergent or congruent creativity), when the symptoms reach the level of disorder it is not associated with benefits over that of the typical population on average. And if severe enough can actually detract, secondary to the impairments in EFs like working memory.
In my view, People with ADHD have wide range of talents and gifts because of they are a person with diverse traits, not simple people with ADHD.
To conclude I just want ensure our position has been clarified respectfully after you abruptly ended the discussion.
Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 20:48, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- I should have included my own references regarding my argument. But it is pointless. I know that ADHD causes impairments on its own. However, it is not a total deficient or "bad" way of being as you people would believe.
- Regardless, it's clear we will never see eye to eye. You (like the majority of neurotypical people) are not capable of having empathy towards those with neurodevelopmental conditions. You often only succeed in worsening our already low self-esteem by making us view ourselves as "flawed" or "deficient". And the way that you design the Wikipedia page on ADHD shows that.
BlueFlare5059 (talk) 22:16, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- R.e., defining ADHD I have never stated that it is “bad” to be an individual with ADHD. Rather that ADHD, the disorder, is indeed that - a disorder: excessive and pervasive symptoms that lead to significant impairment in life. Nor is there any evidence ADHD results directly in benefits over, on average, those without ADHD. That is the global scientific consensus.
- R.e., empathy Most people I know with ADHD do not view it as beneficial and would give it up in a heartbeat if they had the chance, but they can’t. I am empathetic to suffering.
- R.e., terminology I never said nor implied peoole with ADHD are themselves deficient or inferior to others. Rather that their self-regulatory executive abilities are indeed deficient. That is not an opinion but a fact based on the consensus of experts worldwide; ADHD represents the extreme lower end of the bell curve on self-regulation.
- Also, I try to avoid terminology such as neurotypical for various reasons. Mainly that there are no such people; we all have hundreds if not thousands of psychological traits each with abnormal variations, deficits and gifts.
- Humans are not simple people with or without ADHD. Executive functioning is also a dimensional trait on which diagnoses are imposing a categorisation or dichotomy.
- And I never understood the reasoning that absent the disorder one cannot possibly emphasise or comphrejne the nature of ADHD. It runs through my family and I work in the field itself on an individual basis and I consider myself knowledgeable on the subject. My views do not deviate from the consensus among scientists nor people with ADHD. Viewer this way, a realistic appraisal is optimistic by opening the gate for evidence-based accmodairons and treatments that alleviate impairment and suffering in the individual as well as reduce the risks of untreated ADHD.
- I will leave this discussion here now due to my time constraints but also because I don’t appreciate repeated misrepresentations of my points. Димитрий Улянов Иванов (talk) 23:56, 26 July 2024 (UTC)
- Jfc, all you people do is make those with neurodevelopmental conditions feel worse about themselves and more isolated. BlueFlare5059 (talk) 04:27, 27 July 2024 (UTC)