User talk:Boboszky
hi. for babak`s name, you must edit sentences with Considering academic sources. in these sources, doesn`t declare papak was middle persian name or meaning of papak is young father. you must be loyal to sources, but if you have found any other source, you can address to it.--Espiral (talk) 15:08, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- Hi there, to reply to your last message: Papak is of course Middle Persian since this was the name of Ardeshir's father, founder of the Sassanid Empire. During this time the language spoken in the Persian Empire was Middle Persian. I agree I should have chosen the right source but I thought this would be obvious. However I found on the Iranica website the confirmation about this assumption. http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/babak-3rd-cent-ruler I hope you will agree with this. Boboszky (talk) 18:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- that article describe ardeshir`s father, not babak`s name. it says father of ardeshir in arabic islamic source called babak and in middle persian sources called Pāpak or Pābag, that doesn`t mean richard frye says clearly babak is obtain from papak. but my source does. furthermore, i didn`t see any pan arab claim that babak is arabic name, or any arab name his boy babak. just persians and turkish azeries naming her son babak.--Espiral (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't find anywhere in the Iranica article mentioning that "father of ardeshir in arabic islamic source call babak". At the top of the article it's mentioned BĀBAK (Mid. Pers. Pāpak, Pābag), which clearly means that the Persian name BĀBAK is in Middle Persian Pāpak. And both Richard Frye and Iranica are very reliable sources. I find it very confusing talking about an arabiced form, since "Arabization or Arabisation (Arabic: تعريب taʻrīb) describes a growing cultural influence on a non-Arab area that gradually changes into one that speaks Arabic and/or incorporates Arab culture and Arab identity." (see Arabization). This doesn't have to do with the name Babak, which is a Persian name in use in both Iran and Azerbaijan. If you have the feeling we cannot get to an agreement, I would suggest that we ask an administrator for assistance Boboszky (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- i agree to asking an administrator for assistance for solving the argument.--Espiral (talk) 21:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- I don't find anywhere in the Iranica article mentioning that "father of ardeshir in arabic islamic source call babak". At the top of the article it's mentioned BĀBAK (Mid. Pers. Pāpak, Pābag), which clearly means that the Persian name BĀBAK is in Middle Persian Pāpak. And both Richard Frye and Iranica are very reliable sources. I find it very confusing talking about an arabiced form, since "Arabization or Arabisation (Arabic: تعريب taʻrīb) describes a growing cultural influence on a non-Arab area that gradually changes into one that speaks Arabic and/or incorporates Arab culture and Arab identity." (see Arabization). This doesn't have to do with the name Babak, which is a Persian name in use in both Iran and Azerbaijan. If you have the feeling we cannot get to an agreement, I would suggest that we ask an administrator for assistance Boboszky (talk) 20:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
- that article describe ardeshir`s father, not babak`s name. it says father of ardeshir in arabic islamic source called babak and in middle persian sources called Pāpak or Pābag, that doesn`t mean richard frye says clearly babak is obtain from papak. but my source does. furthermore, i didn`t see any pan arab claim that babak is arabic name, or any arab name his boy babak. just persians and turkish azeries naming her son babak.--Espiral (talk) 19:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
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