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Bruce-nilo

Hi Excirial,

Can you please tell me how can I make http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ros_Bates&action=edit page be protected? Is there I need to do? May I know the requirements, please. Can I become a administrator also?

Please let me know. Thanks JR (talk) 15:31, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Bruce,

Pages are only protected if they meet the requirements set in the protection policy. In general this means that editing pages is only restricted in cases where pages are subject of a content dispute or unless the pages are subject to heavy vandalism from multiple sources, where blocking editors would be impractical or would cause to much collateral damage. Protections are kept as short as possible and as open as possible, to keep in line with the mantra "The encyclopedia that everyone can edit". In the case of the Ros Bates page there was no indication that the page met any of the protection criteria so i declined the protection.

Administrators themselves are chosen by the community. There are no "set" criteria to become an administrator, but in general it requires a clean editing history, at the very least a year of editing experience (And likely more) and several thousands or more edits. Creating high quality content, working in vandalism patrol or other constructive area's is generally appreciated as well. So technically, yes, you can become an administrator, but it would take quite some time and work before any nomination would be accepted. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 15:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Excirial,

Sorry to bother. Btw, I'm the one who is maintaining Ros Bates website and some few other websites. I have few questions 1. What if Ros Bates submit valid identification to you and request the page be protected, is that acceptable? 2. Can I become a administrator only for Ros Bates page and few other pages I wanted to built? And you will be the super administrator, is that acceptable?

Thank you very much for a quick reply, JR (talk) 16:10, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Bruce,

I am afraid i am going to have to answer with a negative on all three questions. Pages are never protected to a preferred version, as Wikipedia is a community-written project where everyone can edit. This means that any page can be adapted by anyone, save for a few critical pages such as the front page, a few critical templates and the mediawiki installation files. In essence all content pages are not owned by anyone in specific and may thus be edited freely - even page protection on content pages is only temporal in virtually every situation. There are equally no "Partial" admins for certain pages. Actually, at the very core administrator powers are nothing more then a bit of community trust that one can responsibly use some of the more "delicate" features, such as blocking users and protecting pages. That being said - everyone lives by the same rules, and whoever misuses or abuses his extra buttons on the interface will surely lose them.

Now, i do believe i understand the reasoning behind the questions. Wikipedia is a much used source, so i presume that Mrs. Bates is concerned that her article becomes libelous, defamed or otherwise negative in tone? In that case i would point out that all article's content must meet certain criteria to remain - content has to be neutral in tone and verifiable using a reputable source - note that this automatically scratches any blogs, paparazzi magazines and so on as those are not reliable. In cases of living persons these standards are vastly higher compared to regular article's trough the biography of living persons policy. In essence all content in a biographic article must be sourced before it is allowed - unsourced content may be challenged and removed as non verifiable until a source is found. This is because the impact of an incorrect "possible divorce" statement in a living persons article can have a lot more impact then say, the incorrect average size of a mammoth tooth in another.

There is of course some form of limit to what is and isn't allowed. While libelous content may not be posted in any form, any 'negative' well sourced content may be included, such as court cases or criminal convictions (if relevant). At the same time article's may not swing in the direction of being overly positive/promotional or negative in nature. As a sidenote, if you are closely related to the subject, please see the WP:COI policy, as, generally taken, editing pages on subjects you are closely related to is discouraged (Most often paired with the word strongly). This is due to the difficulty one may have to write neutral content in these cases.

I think this is about what i can say about page protection and rules. If there is a specific concern with a page on a living person the best page to raise it is at the BLP noticeboard here: Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. If the information deals with personal or non-public matters (The noticeboard is public) OTRS may be used instead. Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:01, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Hi Excirial, Thank you very much. I do understand everything now.

Could you please check http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing_Council_Asia_Pacific? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsourcing_Council_Asia_Pacific was deleted. Its not advertising, what I included are organisation background, vision and objectives. I read lots of article page on this link http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&redirs=1&ns0=1&search=web+company&limit=250&offset=0 and I compared it to what I did and its not advertising. But anyway thanks, maybe I missed that there is something wrong with content.

JR JR (talk) 05:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Bruce,

I took the liberty to merge the two comments into one, and i removed the text itself from my talk page as it took a rather large section of space (I can see deleted contributions, so i can just have a look in the history to find the text to comment on it). I will try to have a look at it this evening (Europe timezone). By the way, you can add new comments under the existing section of my talk page, rather then creating new sections - This will keep a conversation one the same the subject grouped together and allows for easier archiving. Also, new entries are usually placed on the bottom of the talkpage rather then on top. I haste to say that both are not really a problem since i can just move them around myself, but i figured i might just as well mention it. :) Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 08:21, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Hello Bruce,

I went over the article in some detail, but i am afraid to say it does quite clearly fall under the advertising header - in fact so much that i cannot help but agree that the removal criteria for advertising (G11) more then clearly applies to it. I will try to list the issue with it, but it will likely be a rather long read.

First and foremost is that the article counts as blatant advertisement. This is both visible in the general structure and in individual sentences. For example: "by a number of leading industry professionals in Australia". "We are an independent and not-for-profit organisation with a focus on:". See the highlighted words for example. " Leading" is called a peacock word which do little but place importance on a subject. Using the "We" form is not-done for similar reasons, as Wikipedia's intend is to be entirely neutral in writing. In short, "We" does not denote a neutral point of view. Besides these specific words the article equally very positively biased. The article mostly talks about the great things that OCAP does, and while doing so it does not adhere to a neutral point of view.

Second is that there is no claim to notability. In order to be allowed to remain on Wikipedia an article needs needs to have some kind of importance which warrants an encyclopedia article. For example an article about Google is notable because Google is the worlds biggest search engine. An article of the butcher around the corner here is an example of an article of would not be notable. Notability can be established trough citing reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. Full guidelines on that can be found at WP:N, though you may also want to take a look at the Business FAQ. In essence this is the core for any subject to have an article at all. In other words, you need to prove that a subject is important enough to have an article - mostly this is done trough the usage of articles in major news publishers. Be very stringent when selecting reliable sources. Press releases, blogs, minor publishers, paid-to-publish content, adverts, small-time newspapers and mere mentions do not count as reliable sources.

I would advice having a look at Pearson's Candy Company, one of my personal favorite demonstration article's for cases such as these. It is recognized as a good quality article, and at the same time it demonstrates quite a bit of the wiki syntax, has decent sourcing, and is above all not so long that it would discourage people to read it. I would equally using the "Article's for Creation" page in combination with the Wikipedia help chat] as both can give you assistance while writing an article that complies to the guidelines. This is not mandatory, but these methods generally increase the survival rate of a page by several orders of magnitude. This is due to the fact that there channels are staffed with experienced volunteers that can aid in the creation of a page that complies to the (many) policies and guidelines. Do note though that far from all article's are being accepted, and that the standards for AFC article's tend to be higher. Also, expect that writing a good AFC article requires quite a bit more time as it will likely be declined a few times with pointers and hints for improvement. At the same time, the article's that do pass RFC tend to be quite a bit higher in quality then the average new article's, and thus much less prone to removal.

I hope this helps, Excirial ^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 19:01, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Outsourcing Council Asia Pacific

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A tag has been placed on Outsourcing Council Asia Pacific, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, product, group, service or person and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become an encyclopedia article. Please read the guidelines on spam and Wikipedia:FAQ/Business for more information.

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