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– bradv🍁 20:53, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

I've raised some edits of yours at WP:BLPN

WP:BLPN#Use of The Washington Free Beacon for what looks like a BLP violation on an article about a political candidate Doug Weller talk 10:00, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Whitmer

Hello. I was a little concerned about the edit summary here on one of your recent edits to Gretchen Whitmer. It seems a bit overblown to require that all editors have to agree something - particularly when the edit that reverted your additions was very specifically referring to your use of the Free Beacon (I note another note from early this month in your talk page archive regarding this btw).

Now, I've raised a discussion point on the article talk page, which is where discussion needs to take place. I'd like to see the paragraph edited down a little for starters and an attempt made to provide balancing sources; I certainly think we can do better than obviously partisan sources (try the News' article, for example). I'm sure you'll want to have your two euros there. Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:41, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I concur with Blue Square Thing - your edit summary, declaring unilaterally that something should remain absent consensus from all editors to remove is precisely backwards. Your insertion of material has been contested - the default is the status quo ante, and the responsibility for gaining consensus for a contested addition lies with the person requesting the addition. The Free Beacon is a highly-partisan source and we should not be basing claims about a living person primarily or even significantly upon it, just as we would not use Media Matters as the primary source for claims about Donald Trump. I have reverted your addition; it's now incumbent upon you to gain consensus for its inclusion. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 16:24, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Both of you are absolutely wrong in two ways: (1) There way more than just the Washington Free Beacon article and you both removed the information based upon lack of reliable sources even though I cited Newsweek and FOX News and of course there is the Washington Post article. There are plenty of reliable sources so you are wrong. (2) My talk page is the NOT the correct place for this discussion. I will be removing it from my talk page. Neither of you should have started this discussion here in the first place. It should have been started on the talk page of Whitmer and only there.CharlesShirley (talk) 19:47, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

I was bringing to your attention the fact that I'd started a discussion on the talk page. That's all. It's absolutely the right place for that part of the discussion, especially given your edit summary I linked to above and that you were notified earlier this month that the Free Beacon isn't a reliable source. Don't take it so personally. Blue Square Thing (talk) 20:12, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

No. My talk page is the not correct page for this discussion. It should be on the Whitmer talk page. I know you might not like being told that you made a mistake, but a mistake is a mistake. You should try to own up to them when you so obviously make them. The discussion belongs over there.CharlesShirley (talk) 20:23, 22 April 2020 (UTC)