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Hello, Corporal29, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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The West Australian engine classes are neither done well or anywhere near covered adequately - just started with a new category - it should help if you see the variance in quality and info :) SatuSuro 06:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

OK enjoy - you appear to be very competent so far! reverse engineering always works well here - look at the X, Y and Msa (heheh a feeble attempt by self v long ago) arts and even better look at the Victorian and NSW arts - they will help - try using the boxes etc - and you will go well - the WAGR article always needs help there - if you can see any points of improving it - please do! SatuSuro 07:04, 28 September 2008 (UTC)


Pr class is excellent! welcome aboard - every any questions please ask - also I will intro you to our very reliable WA admins - who are worth meeting in a matter of speaking - will do that later - cannot wait till your next one! cheers SatuSuro 14:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Some issues - E and F classes were changed to superheating variants - and also there was a PMr class - i think it would be useful to have something to explain in either articles about the E or F classes the issue - and curious why Pmr doesnt get a mention at Pr - just some things to keep you on your toes :) SatuSuro 14:33, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah we can take the locos out some time and make a sep art - the thing I am interested in is to work out which drawings that I have of the M, Ms and MSa fom Public records office are actually PD and not copyright! That would be great if I could upload them but would need to check very carefully as Battye and PRO have some very spurious arguments about their specific rights over some images SatuSuro 14:37, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

The importance about your knowledge (I am impressed by the way) is if you have a ref/cite for the details - then add them - the big problem with many australian rail articles is the thin approach - limited range - and inadequate referencing (like my start at the msa was far off) - however the Australian Garratt article has more wa refs than other states for instance - the important thing is you have started running - your inline cites are whats make your contibutions so incredibly valuable!

I would say at the rate you are going we will have to cut out the wa locos art this week say - and then in there there are the issues which make a great article - the mainline issues, fright issues, and the superheating episodes could go in the main art - I am away the week after the coming week - but before I go I will show you who the wa admins are etc - but as always please ask any question however trivial. Out of curiosity - what are you like on the actual places - like narrogin at its steam peak, or the bunbury roundhouse, the mulitple geraldton stations, or the midland signal boxes? SatuSuro 14:45, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Well I asked about them - as they are parts of WA rail folkore - and are always a good sign of age and depth of knowledge of the overall system :) Well I am of a vintage and circle that includes Higham, Gunzburg (he hardly recognised me at the 2nd edition launching of his timber line book through) , Tilley and others from the old days of the ARHS (I have a circular members badge from when I belonged as a teenager) so its interesting to find an enthusiast coming on board at wikipedia - as for writing books - good luck to you! I do have in my archives somewhere more images of some of the more obscure parts of the system - but it takes ages for me to find them and scan them. Hope that explains SatuSuro 14:59, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Well when I was younger than what my three teenagers are I got permission to go take photos of the 'dead line at west midland' where there were lines of old steam engines - including G's and heaps of ASG's all waiting to be cut up - somewhere I have the negs - I wish I had taken double the amount of photos that I took! So your enthusiasm and interest is valuable - if you have copies of the standard texts by gunzburg and higham and tilley and so on it helps - and also the carriage book of recent - if you are not interested in country lines thats fine - whatever sustains the interest - i gotta get off soon so i will have a look at the p - but will stay off talk now till when i get of cheers - good to talk with you! SatuSuro 15:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

New stubs/articles[edit]

You are very lucky someone hasnt tried to challenge stubs - it is really important (IMHO - others might think otherwise) to get the projecttag on to the talk page and categries in and the refs in - even just gunzburg or whoever - new changes patrol can b quite offhand with short changed arts as they seek to keep the place clean (sic) and the more intelligent of the species will also check to see you are newbie - so take care and maybe fill out a bit more on start :) SatuSuro 01:06, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Hard to keep up - now all the arts you have created need a trains tag as well (slambo is a tireless ed who has worked on that prject for years) might be worth exploring through it - I'll tag one for you but i think you need to get the hang of tagging :) SatuSuro 01:10, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

when i was a kid there was an O left for an ahrs tour - cannot remember if i have a pic - also the N's oddly enough were used on the mundaring weir branch - and the grades were so difficult that N's and Msa's were considered the only stock worth using - I do have some very very odd ref books that might help context at some point - do you have stanbridges 2 piccie books at all? if you do the piccie in volume 2 on the banksiadale line of black butte on the ahrs tour there i am one of the kids on the tender :) SatuSuro 01:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

pr but the locos=yes doesnt seem to be working might be worth going to the trains project main page to check the format SatuSuro 01:18, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Sorry geting out of synch - trying to watch for vndlsm and have 3 diff conversations try for getting one good first id say - dont spread to far

At one stage either the trains portal or project had a dyk - there are 'hooks' about some of the arts you ar doing that could be utilised for either trains or just normal dyk - but hey there is so much to point you to - is one SatuSuro 01:29, 29 September 2008 (UTC) - one local admin User:Moondyne is our local hero in that department - go to his contribs page and at the bottom of the page there is a link to his sub pages - look for dyk and there you have it - his attempts at fame :) SatuSuro 01:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

First things first[edit]

Please make sure you get your tags on - and always best bet is class stub and low importance - if still a stub - but gunzburg or a ref of any sort is always better than none - you gotta realise there geographically challenged eds who are on recnt changes who might think a prod is worth it - refs are a vital key - they silence anyone wanting to raise issues regarding WP:N, WP:V and WP:RS in one step - cheers SatuSuro 02:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Well your contributions in less than a couple of days have revived my interest in rail history again- wow very impressed - keep at it your efforts to date are excellent - keep it up you are doing good work! - cheers SatuSuro 02:11, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thats a long story and better off wiki talk - your work is exemplary so far - keep at it - go do the battye and maybe talk about it some other time:) SatuSuro 02:21, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

OK I might by chance be in battye a bit later - I am bald with glasses and with a white beard - pretty easy to notice :) SatuSuro 02:27, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

False alarm - the show took up all my time - cheers SatuSuro 10:42, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Also at some stage down the line we need to consider the possibility of a western australian version of the Victorian loco template SatuSuro 13:01, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


Just like the E and Es, Ms and Msa, and the F and Fs - yes - of course - same class with mods - no probs as a single art SatuSuro 08:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC) gawd give me time on that one - gt to go out for a while :) SatuSuro 08:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC) I dont have a handy copy of gunzburgs loco book - but i suspect however he does it would be a good test - where he uses separate entries - like the U and Ut separation is important cos the Ut was so unique. I think its a case of if there is a major structural - either boiler or wheel arrangement - its always a def separation - however if its just superheating or mods - keep it in the same - what do you think? SatuSuro 12:24, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Without anything in front of me i think DM DD are same art poss and I think there was Ds was a sep isse for some reason SatuSuro 12:47, 30 September 2008 (UTC) Looking very good - just beware of too much text without a cite tie-in - even if it is simply the same ref over and over SatuSuro 13:05, 30 September 2008 (UTC) At the rate you are going you will probably get status on your arts that might suprise you - checkout and also the trains project assessment schems when you have the time to spare :) SatuSuro 13:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Good to see you back at work[edit]

Just saw the S class - good stuff! SatuSuro 14:29, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

As the WAGR art is getting bigger - better to think of subsidiary articles rather than filling it up too much i reckon. - like even an overview article of the all the rail lines/branches it is feasible that a separate art is needed - I havent recently checked other state articles or how they are organised however - cheers SatuSuro 07:08, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

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Well as I said 11 months ago its getting too big and now even some of the old piccies have been taken out - nah I'll grumble at least. Also pre-emptive headings are never good unless you have a hangon or update tag - looks messy. I think also the lack of cites is glaring - you gotta remember the big arts like this one are always better broken up than keeping one big slab. Too many assertions not backed up. at least youve given it a go - I disagree with lots of little bits, but hey ... SatuSuro 12:46, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Well your explanation explains it all - have no fear - it can only get better :) - any help give a shout - and make my talk as messy as you like or if you prefer email me - either way - any help is there if you want it - this friday the arhs 50th at bassendean too :) - SatuSuro 13:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

On a talk page - there is a drop down called user - up there to the right, and in that is email this user or something like that - I have mine enabled - in whatever sense you might like to think of :| SatuSuro 14:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

I might be a day or two before I get a proper re-read of the stuff and comments of any sense SatuSuro 14:44, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

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