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the lede
[edit]The lede should summarize the article, touching briefly on all the main subjects discussed. Your edit, as interesting as it may be, does not do that. Also, primary sources, like Cromwell’s reports to Parlaiment, should be used only cautiously, secondary sources, i.e. historians writing about the period, are much preferred. Good luck and welcome. Kleuske (talk) 19:55, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
- H.C.B Rogers.Cromwell's Generals. Page 294.'On the 22nd July 1650, Cromwell's army crossed the Border without opposition and marched by Cockburnspath, Dunbar, Haddington, Gladsmuir and Musselburgh.
- Maurice Ashley. General Monck.Chapter:6. The Dunbar Campaign and After.Page 75. (David Leslie) 'was a cautious commander. Far from massing his troops on the border, he had drawn every man of military age from East Lothian and Berwick; he has also ordered that all corn and forage were to be removed from the South East and that all sheep and cattle should be brought behind the walls of Edinburgh.
The problem with using previously published historians is that what they say becomes 'gospel' even when everything points to them being wrong. All you have to do is look at the map, and take Cromwell's statement to Hesilrige about the Enemy occupying the pass at Cockburnspath on the 2nd September denying Cromwell a way out of Scotland. If Leslie had placed a garrison anywhere to repel the advance, it would have been at the partly demolished, yet easily defensible, Cockburnspath Tower and the bridge it guarded. To have mounted a defense at Coldingham Priory would be ridiculous, if only for the fact that the post road, which leads from Ayton to Cockburnspath does not actually go through Coldingham. Where I think mistakes have been made all through History is that Cockburnspath was in the Parish of Coldingham.
- Now... I have no idea how to place my ideas on Wiki, but you should understand that the initial claim that Cromwell destroyed the Priory in 1648 was changed to 1650 when I pointed out that the military action in that year had taken place in Lancashire and Warrington.
Cromwell did dispatch Lambert into Scotland with Infantry ( which he left at Dunbar) and Horse which carried on towards Edinburgh. At the same time, Cromwell was meeting up with his new best buddy, the Marquess of Argylle.. Far from attacking Scotland, Cromwell actually went on a jolly to Edinburgh and left Lambert there to help Argylle and his fellow Taliban to mop up the Engagers.
Cromwelled (talk) 11:43, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
- I have no opinion whatsoever concerning Cromwell's actions at the abbey in question. I am trying to convey some points about style (WP:LEDE) and sourcing (WP:V, WP:RS, but in this case mainly WP:PRIMARY). I also think it's necessary to point out Wikipedia is not intended to publish your ideas, but to summarize what reliable sources say on the subject. Kleuske (talk) 14:54, 17 June 2022 (UTC)
- Your POV of 'The problem with using previously published historians is that what they say becomes 'gospel' even when everything points to them being wrong' needs a Reliable Source to back it up when used in editing articles. HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2023 (UTC)