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Procedural unblock request[edit]

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

DJ15Nario (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

Request reason:

Procedural unblock request as I received the following via email. I should note that the "DJ17Nario" account doesn't exist and wasn't part of the block. However, DJ15Nario changed the sig for some of the posts made at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kinuyo Yamashita to make it appear as if another user were commenting. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
* IP address: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:<IP address redacted>
* Blocking admin: Nihonjoe
* Block reason: Abusing multiple accounts
* Block originally applied to: DJ15Nario
* Block ID number: 1774939
* Your account name (if you have one): DJ15Nario
* An explanation of why your block is unfair: It appears that I have two accounts on Wikipedia, but I totally forgot that I did. My official account is DJ15Nario, which I made years ago, but I think I couldn't sign onto it sometime last year--due to me not getting the password right or something like that--and so I made DJ17Nario just so I could make an edit on an article or two: I did not think it would hurt to make another account, and nor did I ever abuse it. With this said, at some point I was finally able to sign back onto the DJ15Nario account, of which I stuck with and continued to use. Overtime, I forgot that I even had a DJ17Nario account, and apparently I accidentally signed back onto it a few days ago and responded in Kinuyo Yamashita's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinuyo_Yamashita) Article for Deletion (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Kinuyo_Yamashita) page. If you look at the History for Kinuyo Yamashita, you'll see that all of my edits were done by DJ15Nario, and if you look at her Article for Deletion page, you'll notice that my first post was made by DJ15Nario. However, I must've logged out, got back on the next day, and subconsciously logged in as DJ17Nario without realizing it, because I responded to a response made for DJ15Nario while as DJ17Nario! Oh, how I wish I hadn't done that! It also turns out that I continue to stay logged in as DJ17Nario for the rest of the day, as I responded to other people's questions while still under that account--I did not vote again while as DJ17Nario, by the way: that would be cheating the system and adding a fake vote to the count, which I would consider to be unfair. I hadn't even realized that I was using a different account at the time, and I didn't do anything vandalizing while under DJ17Nario. In fact, if you look closely, you'll see that I thought I was logged in as DJ15Nario while signing the comment made by DJ17Nario:
***Two credible sources have been added since the threatening of this article's deletion. Those who wanted the article deleted wanted more sources, and there they are. DJ17Nario (talk) 15:27, 6 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by DJ15Nario (talk • contribs)

Recap over the course of years: DJ15Nario is created, anomaly occurs and can't sign into DJ15Nario, DJ17Nario is created to temporarily replace DJ15Nario, DJ15Nario can be logged back into and DJ17Nario is forgotten about and abandoned, DJ15Nario votes to keep Kinuyo's article, DJ17Nario is logged in by accident and responds to a few questions directed towards DJ15Nario, DJ15Nario is logged back in and continues to post as if DJ17Nario never did.

I didn't realize that I still had DJ17Nario on Wikipedia until DJ15Nario got banned. Please, you have to believe me. I, DJ15Nario, have not abused the system, and if need be you can permanently delete DJ17Nario just to keep me from accidentally signing back onto that account. Heck, even if DJ17Nario still exists if I am unbanned, I would do everything in my power not to sign back in under DJ17Nario. That's a promise. DJ15Nario (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Clearly, the signature DJ17 appears in a post made by DJ15 - the logs are quite clear which account made the edit. I have a very strong suspicion about some of the IP edits, which are also very easy to determine if they are indeed the same person. Requesting unblock while using falsehoods does not give me warm fuzzies about the sincerity of the unblock request itself. Either the editor does not understand the technical concept that every edit is easily and visibly tracked, or they're playing games (that are not working, BTW). You are not banned, you are indefinitely blocked - they are quite differently. You have been directed to the blocking policy - read it. This account - and the ducklike activities - have been quite disruptive on the AfD: I hope they realize that it's not a vote, it's a discussion, and majority does not rule. (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 21:17, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to make any further unblock requests, please read the guide to appealing blocks first, then use the {{unblock}} template again. If you make too many unconvincing or disruptive unblock requests, you may be prevented from editing this page until your block has expired. Do not remove this unblock review while you are blocked.

    • BWilkins: As covered in my paragraphs above, I didn't intend to use the DJ17Nario account while editing the AfD. I had mentally dropped that account over a year ago, and yet I somehow accidentally signed back onto it without realizing. Plus, I was going to edit my DJ15Nario posts anyways, it's just I truly thought I was using my DJ15Nario account when I did so. To clear things up: the DJ17Nario account has been deleted--by whom, I don't know--but I'm glad that it's gone, that way I don't have another chance to mess things up by accidentally signing on as DJ17, because I consider DJ15 to be my only account, and as of right now, that is the case. I have not made any alternate accounts, I don't have access to any alternate accounts, I will not make any alternate accounts, and I am not a sockpuppet. This was all a big mistake, I'm practically new here, and I humbly and sincerely apologize. You have my word. DJ15Nario (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Just to be clear: you didn't edit under the (nonexistent) DJ17Nario account; rather, you signed your comments as DJ17Nario, giving the impression that another editor was participating. This is (as Bwilkins pointed out) extremely disruptive and deceptive, especially in a deletion discussion. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 04:02, 10 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Yes, that has been made very clear to me. However, as already explained, I had no idea that I was using my DJ17Nario account for the short period of time until you blocked me. On top of that, it would've been nice to receive a warning; something along the lines of "Please format your post according to the rules above, and to sign your post properly" would've been nice, NOT "You claimed to post as someone else or claimed someone else's post as your own. That won't do: you're indefinitely blocked, starting now. Enjoy not being able to fix your mistakes." Do you see what I'm getting at here? I didn't have a chance to fix my mistakes, and if you had just let me I would've done so! I completely understand as to why that is completely unacceptable, however, I had no idea that I was signed in as DJ17 until you blocked me. I said I'm sorry, and I truly do mean it. DJ15Nario (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't think you understand, so let me try to explain it again: The DJ17Nario account does not exist. There are no logs of it ever existing (that I can find), and therefore you could not have logged into it since it does not exist. Are we clear on that point? Okay, moving on. What happened here was that you, logged in as DJ15Nario, posted those comments, but signed them as DJ17Nario. There are only two ways this could have happened:
            1. You changed your signature at Special:Preferences.
            2. You manually created the signature and didn't sign using the usual four tildes
          • Those are the only two explanations for what appears in the logs. Doing this caused your comments to appear to be made by another editor who apparently agreed with you, and therefore could have caused some to think your argument had more support than it did. In this case, the similarity of your real username and the false one used in the previously mentioned posts gave things away, and almost anyone would be able to tell they were likely (and this case, were) posted by the same person. Additionally, the sockpuppet accounts all posted in similar manners, which lead to this block for editing at odds with site policies and guidelines. If you are unable to grasp these concepts, then I don't know that any amount of explaining will make a difference. ···日本穣? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:53, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
            • First off, while you claim that DJ17Nario never existed, I must disagree, as I know for a fact that I've used that account before. When I found out that DJ15Nario was blocked, I logged out and signed in as DJ17Nario to see if you had blocked it too: sure enough, it said that not only had you blocked it but that you also blocked the IP Address belonging to it too. After discovering that, I logged out of DJ17Nario, logged back into DJ15Nario, and wrote the above request for unblocking. One day later, I try to log into DJ17Nario to see if you left that account a message as well, only to find that I couldn't log into the account anymore: Wikipedia said that the user was unregistered. I found this odd, but figured that you had deleted it per request in my Request for Unblock message. However, this is where things get weird: you have continually supported the idea that DJ17Nario has never existed, when I know for a fact that I saw Wikipedia tell me that the account was blocked AND that its IP Address was also blocked. I don't know who deleted the account and erased the logs of it ever existing--I also know that the AdF's history logs used to have DJ17Nario in them as well, but no longer do so--but I do know that you, truly, were the one who blocked the account, so you should at least know that the account did, indeed, exist at one point or another, and I find it odd that you don't.
            • Secondly, I have never made any sockpuppet accounts before, unless you want to count DJ17Nario: a supposedly non-existent account, but I never created it to abuse the system anyways so that is irrelevant. Apparently you labeled AkumuHau, NJDolphin, and some four-odd IP Address accounts as sockpuppet accounts of mine, when that is not true at all. I have never had access to those accounts, I did not create those accounts, I did not tell anyone to create those accounts, and I did not tell those people to contribute to the AdF. Why do you continually insist on claiming that those accounts are mine? If you trace back their IP Addresses, you should find that they are not located in the same place where I live. Surely, you have logs that tell you who posted what, and that these same logs confirm that I was not involved with those accounts and that I have never once logged in as those accounts. Why must you continually accuse me of having access to those accounts? The logs prove that I have nothing to do with them! DJ15Nario (talk) 17:08, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
              • Is this still going on? NJDolphin (http://www.myspace.com/NJDolphin) is a real person, Kinuyo's fiance (you can see her posting in his comments), who wanted her article to stay and didn't know the guidelines well enough to know that "her permission" is not a compelling reason against deletion. And the only edit AkumuHau left before being blocked was suggesting his interview with Kinuyo as a source - to say that he had "similar editing habits" as Nario is boggling. The other IPs are mostly some guy in Greece, which I've already verified in the deletion discussion (right after the part where you accused me of being Nario's sock). I can't imagine any of this is hard to check. I mean, you guys even keep saying "it would be really easy to check who posted what from where," so why won't anybody do it? On the off-chance it might vindicate Nario? Unless you feel like posting those accounts' IPs, you're the only ones who can check.
                Once they're out of the way, the only sock left is DJ17Nario. But as you've already said, that account never existed, which means that Nario couldn't possibly have been abusing "multiple" accounts. Posting as two users with one character off, I admit, is confusing and disruptive, but nobody is looking at the two and honestly thinking they're different people. He has never SAID that they're two different people, either. There is no malicious intent here, which is the whole point of puppetry. I think he would do well to go study the guidelines before participating in any more discussions, but this blocking is overdoing it. The other accounts aren't his, and he's not trying to fool anybody with the 17. This is a naive kid who needs to brush up on how Wikipedia works, not some vandal trying to pull the wool over your eyes. Kirby (talk) 16:41, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nario, that really doesn't prove anything. It's just as possible that you were logged in as DJ15Nario and signed it as DJ17. There isn't a record of that account existing (I checked, too), so unless you've saved a confirmation e-mail or something from whenever you made the account, you're not going to convince anybody otherwise. And antagonizing the admin that blocked you ("how do you explain THAT") is not a good way to get yourself unblocked, either. Keep a cool head. Kirby (talk) 18:16, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      • Kirby, if you look in the history logs for the AfD, you'll see that neither DJ15 nor DJ17 made a post right after AkumuHau did. However, if I truly did make that post as DJ15Nario and signed it as DJ17Nario, it would've appeared in the history logs as DJ15Nario, not DJ17Nario or nothing at all, for making a post as DJ15Nario will always record it as such in the logs, no matter how I signed it on the AfD. With that said, DJ15Nario should've appeared in the history log right after AkumuHau posted, but it doesn't, and that could explain how DJ17Nario made that post and why it's not appearing in the log if all records of DJ17's posts were erased. DJ15Nario (talk) 18:43, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        • Nario, your reply to Akumu's comment was made on the next day while logged in as DJ15, but you signed each comment as DJ17, according to the history. This to me appears to be the edit where you responded to Akumu, among other things. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Preacher Bob (talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
          • Fascinating... that's really fascinating. This is then proof that I did, indeed, make those posts as DJ15Nario, but instead signed it as DJ17Nario. I sincerely apologize for my mistake, truly. DJ15Nario (talk) 22:18, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nihonjoe, I never once changed the sig of any one person in the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kinuyo Yamashita board. Are you sure you aren't mistaking my user name or IP Address for someone elses? The only times I edited the discussion was to offer my own comments, that, and to vote. Nothing else.
      • Those aren't sigs, and those aren't me modifying their posts either. I added my responses to their posts under their posts, just like everyone else did. Never once did I claim to be someone else, with DJ17Nario being the only exception but as covered before that login was a mistake.

you wikipedia people, you're a different breed of human being altogether. unban the kid's account and stop running wikipedia into the ground with rules, restrictions, and problems. -Shawn Phase 141.157.81.77 (talk) 11:11, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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