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Dave Gallaher FAC[edit]

Hey Dank. I nominated the article Dave Gallaher at WP:FAC about ten days ago but haven't yet had a single comment (other than an image review). You did comment at the peer review (archived here), so I was hoping that if you had any time you'd mind commenting at the FAC nomination page (Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Dave Gallaher/archive1). Your help at the PR was great, and I'd appreciate any further feedback (however brief) that you'd care to give. -- Shudde talk 08:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for asking, but I'm going to pass; I've got recurrent stomach problems, so I'm doing less reviewing. - Dank (push to talk) 11:33, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Not a problem; your contributions at the PR were greatly appreciated and I completely understand why you can't help out. I'm sorry to hear about your health problem and hope it improves. -- Shudde talk 03:49, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

help with negative resistance GAN?[edit]

  • Hey Dan this article has been languishing in GAN since December. Know anyone who can help? Tks (New username) • Lingzhi(talk) 12:34, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I don't, sorry. Also, see just above. - Dank (push to talk) 12:38, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Thoughts requested[edit]

If you have time, I'd appreciate your thoughts on the legacy section of the Russian battleship Potemkin. I've added a bunch of new material in the section and I need some fresh eyes on how it all flows and fits together. I've added three nifty quotes on how the battleship was, at least partially, the hero of the movie, but I would strongly expect that that's two too many. So if you could give your opinions on which one needs to be kept and how the whole thing fits together, I'd be grateful.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 21:26, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I can help perhaps a week from now if Dan isn't feeling better (see two threads above) • Lingzhi(talk) 21:40, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, I didn't catch that bit above. I'm in no rush and your thoughts would be welcome before I send it up to FAC.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 22:44, 6 July 2015 (UTC)
Personally, I'd lose the last block quote. I made some tweaks. Looks great. - Dank (push to talk) 00:18, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the tweaks (arising from your sickbed, you dedicated Wikipedian!); I'll leave the last one up until Lingzhi has a chance to weigh in, though.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 00:26, 7 July 2015 (UTC)
@Sturmvogel 66: Some copy edits made on article but rl called me away so check for typos; also initial thoughts on talk page • Lingzhi(talk) 13:11, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

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April–June 2015 MilHist reviewing award[edit]

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For completing 29 reviews during April–June 2015, on behalf of the Wikiproject Military History coordinators, I hereby award you the WikiChevrons. Thanks/cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 09:51, 8 July 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Ian! - Dank (push to talk) 10:44, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

TFA 24 July[edit]

I have altered this, after it was pointed out that my original choice was the third California highway this year. I have changed all the consequential pages, but not the protection, if any. Brianboulton (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Brian, I'll remove the protection when I wake up. - Dank (push to talk) 09:39, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Done. - Dank (push to talk) 12:33, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I have received a request to change the TFA scheduled for 23 July, as the main editor had left a note on the article's talkpage requesting that this not be scheduled until October 2017. As I was at fault in not seeing the note, I will defer to his request. Again I'll do the consequential changes. The issue concerning 24 July will not be resolved before Sunday. Brianboulton (talk) 18:20, 10 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, on it. - Dank (push to talk) 18:29, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
For 24 July, I've decided to replace the disputed nom of Interstate 96 with one of the alternatives that has been proffered. I'm doing this to avoid what might otherwise become a prolonged squabble, but at the same time I'm making it clear that unless the "road" people become more proactive in nominating for TFA, coordinators will make their own choices regardless of any anniversary preferences or other excuses – I don't recognise these anniversaries as having any real significance, anyway. I am a bit busy today, but I'll make the necessary changes later. Sorry for the extra work that has fallen on you. Brianboulton (talk) 10:23, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
I'm happy to support whatever you want to do. - Dank (push to talk) 11:30, 13 July 2015 (UTC)


Hello Dank,

Not sure if you have gotten any more time on your hands since the Battle of Malvern Hill article was at FA, but it's now at ACR with WikiProject Military History. I'm going to try and take it to FAC again, perhaps in the coming weeks, and I was wondering if you could do a copyedit to the article. Cheers, --ceradon (talkcontribs) 19:08, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

  • (talk page stalker) Hello Ceradon. Your username sounds like a color, "Celadon," which was also the name of one of the chars in an old love story... Dank hasn't been feeling well lately. I'll be happy to ce the article. • Lingzhi(talk) 20:17, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
    • @Lingzhi: Alright, thank you. --ceradon (talkcontribs) 20:20, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Thanks Ling. - Dank (push to talk) 00:40, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

Re:TFA 7.23.15[edit]

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"did close to"?[edit]

Sorry Dank, that's simply crap English, it needs fixing. And modifying a redirect while I'm at it is just fine. There's nothing at ERRORS that suggests these shouldn't be fixed. By all means let me know what you find so problematic with changing "did close to" to "caused", and why fixing an obvious redirect is an issue. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It's not worse than "cause a billion"; a billion isn't something that can be "caused" in AmEng or BritEng. See WP:ERRORS; I'll try to pull up some references for you in a minute. I very much respect (and depend on) your opinion and the opinion of other BritEng regulars on the Main Page, and I do want to avoid things that clash for you, regardless of whether the article is in AmEng or not (this one is), but that's not the fix I'm looking for. I'll reply on all points at ERRORS. - Dank (push to talk) 20:34, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Cause is far superior to "did" which is horrendous. I think that transcends whichever variation of English you use. Why you reverted the fixes to the redirects I know not. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:38, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
By the way, claiming that "a billion isn't something that can be "caused" in AmEng or BritEng" is simply false. Google it... The Rambling Man (talk) 20:58, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Since you changed it twice, I can't fix this (or even respond, really) because I don't wheel-war. See ERRORS for suggestions. - Dank (push to talk) 21:07, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
You can at least state why you believe your version of "English" is correct, which it is not. You don't need to fix it, I already fixed it. Suggestions are ERRORS are not helpful or correct. It is not wheel warring, I think you've taken this the wrong way and are heading down a painful path. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:09, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Painful in what sense? Copyeditors should aim not to be ambiguous. - Dank (push to talk) 21:15, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
I think we're at cross-purposes now. All I did was fix the errors in the TFA blurb. There's no wheel warring, nothing more than just fixing poor grammar and redirects. It happens. If you have a problem with TFA at ERRORS, that's a different issue altogether. Blurbs, hooks etc are often flawed and need fixing once they receive attention at the main page. TFA is in no way different, and poor grammar/tone should be fixed as soon as possible. I hope that's explained the situation, if not, feel free to ping me. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Would a third opinion help or hurt? Although this site objects to "do damage", the phrase is used by several authorities who don't call it "heinous", "appalling", "horrendous", or any other pejorative. Wiktionary:damage, for instance, uses the example "The storm did a lot of damage to the area." Anyway, the phrase was "did close to a billion dollars in damage", which can't be replaced with just "damaged". Google Books shows far more hits for "do/cause a million dollars' worth of damage" than for "do/cause a million dollars in damage", so if anything needed to be fixed, it was doing or causing dollars, as if the storm were the U.S. Mint.

As for fixing redirects versus WP:NOTBROKEN, I no longer raise this issue unless someone else does it first, because it causes an amazing amount of anger. But if you don't like a guideline, you should really be trying to fix it, not ignore it, no matter how many other Main Page editors have the same attitude. The problem will keep coming back until the contradiction is resolved one way or the other: either stop "fixing" redirects, or fix the guideline. Long ago I wrote User:Art LaPella/Because the guideline says so. Art LaPella (talk) 00:56, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks much for the input, Art. I'm not actually up on Main Page practices, I tend to follow FAC and reliable sources (such as dictionaries), so that's very helpful. As it happened, I had done research on all the questions TRM brought up before he brought them up, but his changes weren't awful, and I have a standing rule that I start losing interest quickly in arguing over things in the last 4 hours that a TFA column will be on the Main Page. (I also back away slowly when there's wheel-warring going on ... don't want any part of that.) I just got an email off to Brian and Chris; my first obligation is not to saddle them with something they don't want to be saddled with. After they reply, if there's more to do, my next step will be to see what the TFA and FAC communities are expecting from me. I probably need to ask more questions about "wheel-warring" and WP:INVOLVED as well, to make sure I'm not crossing any bright lines. - Dank (push to talk) 01:30, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
P.S. Which ngram search were you using at Google Books? I got this. - Dank (push to talk) 02:33, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
[1][2][3][4] Art LaPella (talk) 02:55, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Per WP:NOTBROKEN, it is not disallowed to fix spelling or other errors in redirects (such as incorrect capitalisation) and I didn't edit solely to fix the redirects, that was just a bonus as I was adjusting the text. The Rambling Man (talk) 04:42, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Although I admit I didn't research that issue very carefully, I don't see your point. Assuming that changing Mid-Atlantic States to Mid-Atlantic states is correcting the capitalization, which is debatable, that doesn't explain changing U.S. East Coast to [[East Coast of the U.S.|U.S. East Coast]]. To me the guideline says we're better off with the U.S. East Coast redirect, for the reasons listed under "Reasons not to bypass redirects", some of which apply here. In that case, no "bonus" is earned, no matter how many other reasons you have for an edit. But if you intend to go by your understanding of the guideline, then I have won my main point; WP:ERRORS often takes it for granted that redirects should be "fixed" when no other edits are involved. Art LaPella (talk) 06:09, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
You "won"? Well done you. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:22, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
My guess is that when we do get to the end of this, instead of deciding that someone was right and someone was wrong, we'll decide that FAC standards are different than ... some other standards (mine? TRM's? admins who hang out on the Main Page? As Groucho said ... Whom knows). Patience, please. I've heard from Chris; I need to hear from Brian. I'm pretty sure at this point the next step will be to solicit opinions at FAC and TFA, and we should know where this is going after that. - Dank (push to talk) 09:38, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

[Copied from WP:ERRORS, since that page isn't archived]:

I just undid a couple of edits that look like they were meant as copyediting. I want to be clear that I don't insist that the writer(s) of the article express things just the way I would; I try to give writers a lot of latitude. I'm pushing back against copyediting in cases where the sources I use disagree with those choices, because bad copyediting can feel burdensome to writers. I'm also pushing back against making undiscussed changes on TFA articles on the day they're on the Main Page; I'm much less likely to revert, and more likely to be broad-minded, if the changes are made when the page isn't protected. So, give me a minute and I'll give you some references to support my choices. - Dank (push to talk) 20:30, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

"did ... damage" is woeful and needed to be fixed. The other fix was simply to correct redirects and incorrect capitalisation. If the redirects and incorrect capitalisation are inappropriate then the target articles need to be moved. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:32, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
For what it's worth, I agree that this stuff should be fixed before it hits the main page, but honestly, just fixing redirects and English grammar shouldn't be a major trauma. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:44, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
There's not a lot on Wikipedia that I care a lot about, but wheel-warring on a TFA column on its Main Page day is one of those things. Since I practice what I preach, I'll have to leave it alone for now. What I like to do in situations like this is to try to find small groups of Wikipedians who are willing to talk through the copyediting issues. After I've done that, I'll come back to WT:MAIN, give our results, and ask for feedback. Also, this might or might not be a good opportunity to get clarity on how Brian, Chris and I are expected to handle problems like these in our roles as TFA coords, and what does and doesn't constitute wheel-warring. As luck would have it, I recently asked about just this on User talk:Floquenbeam. I'll keep an eye out for other relevant discussions or Arbcom cases. - Dank (push to talk) 21:00, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
It's hardly wheel warring when it's down to writing in grammatically correct and encyclopaedically toned English. It seems that you're making a mountain of a molehill here in this case, I fixed an appalling colloquialism and some redirects while I was at it. I'm not sure what all the debate is about, it's a simple case of fixing errors at TFA. If you believe we shouldn't be fixing errors (such as heinous tone and grammar issues, and as a sideline, redirects) then why would we have an ERRORS page which includes TFA? You query how you should handle " problems like these ", well just let it go and allow the errors to be fixed. It's not a big deal, although it seems likely to become one right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:05, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Since you changed it twice, I can't fix this (or even respond, really) because I don't wheel-war. I hope what I said above was reasonably clear. - Dank (push to talk) 21:10, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Not really, I think what you're saying is that we shouldn't fix errors on TFA blurbs? I don't really get your point, your position with regard to fixing grammatically incorrect English, fixing redirects and poor capitalisation while I'm at it. You can respond to that with absolute impunity, I'm sure. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

[end of text copied from ERRORS]

Footnote: Brian and Chris would prefer not to pursue any of this for the moment, and I have no problem with that. - Dank (push to talk) 12:52, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

PLs delete[edit]

  • Hey Dan I just put this archive button on yesterday and it's in the spot where "Edit" should be. Would you pls delete my error at Wikipedia:Main Page/Archive 1 ... thanks. • Lingzhi(talk) 00:48, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure what you mean, and I'm tight for time. Talk page stalkers ... to the rescue! - Dank (push to talk) 01:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
    • I put up a Db template so it's probably OK. • Lingzhi(talk) 01:20, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Community desysoping[edit]

I'm shortly going to launch an RfC. If possible I would prefer it to be a teamwork. I would very much value your input. Would you please review the first very basic draft and let me have your thoughts on the talk page. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the invite! It's possible I'll be a closer on that one ... and if not, I'll probably be a closer on a related RfC at some point. Best would be for me not to say anything until 3 weeks into the RfC, at the earliest. - Dank (push to talk) 16:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
OK. Good to know that there will be an experienced closer ready to step in at 30 days. better wouold be an experienced team of two closers. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:49, 19 July 2015 (UTC)
Right, "a closer" not "the closer". Not a guarantee, I'll have to read it and see if I think I can help by closing. If I do close, I sometimes start making noises at the point where the trends are obvious, sometimes at the 3 week point. - Dank (push to talk) 12:11, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Tank Girl FAC[edit]

Hi Dank. I note you had some health problems earlier this month; I hope you're feeling better now, though if not, maybe one of your talk page stalkers can help me :). I nominated Tank Girl (film) for FAC a month ago (see here). One of my two major reviewers says the article needs a copy edit before he can support it. If you could have a look at the article, I would very much appreciate it. Cheers. Freikorp (talk) 18:06, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

  • I'll look. • Lingzhi(talk) 23:04, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
    • Thx much Ling. - Dank (push to talk) 23:34, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

Re: Diane TFA[edit]

Hey, thanks! I checked out the article, updating it for something that came out earlier this year. I suppose it'll be the opposite problem as Brenda 60, too much info in lead :P Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 22:51, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

[This is the August 7 TFA]. I was thinking the same thing ... it's going to be a hard call figuring out what to prune. - Dank (push to talk) 22:53, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
How long are TFA's usually? Two paragraphs? I'd gut everything related to the meteorological history. No one really cares about that but weather nerds, hah. Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 23:02, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. - Dank (push to talk) 23:03, 23 July 2015 (UTC)