User talk:Dustysuicide

August 2009

Your recent addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 00:51, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok i understand the issue can i simply remove the copywritten text and move on at least? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dustysuicide (talk • contribs)

It might be a good idea to start the article in your user space so that you can get it to the point where it is supported by reliable sources. Be careful not to copy any text from another web site. Create the article at User:Dustysuicide/Kill Me Tomorrow and when you have it ready, use the {{helpme}} tag here on your talk page to get advice on whether it is likely to be deleted again. Review WP:BAND to make sure that this band meets notability requirements that govern whether an article should be written about it. It will save you some frustration. Also, when making comments on talk pages, be sure to put new text under old text and sign your comments with ~~~~ at the end. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:03, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

ok so can you at least move what i working on to that location so i can re-edit it and work on it properly rather then starting completely from scratch? ive had any of these problems before.Dustysuicide (talk) 01:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC) 9:08 1 August 2009 (ETS)[reply]

Since most of the text was copied from somewhere else, it would be better if you started from scratch. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:09, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i think the history was taken from another website and the rest was my own contributions and i did get some spellings by copying and pasting and got the format from another bands page. since i run kitty play records and work very closely with this band, i am one of the best authorities on the group. i think making me start from scratch is silly, can you please just cut me a break here? Dustysuicide (talk) 01:10, 1 August 2009 (UTC) 9:10 (EST)[reply]

In light of your relationship with the label and the band, it sounds like you shouldn't be creating an article about them. Please review the conflict of interest policy. Besides, the only content that was not copied verbatim from somewhere else was the infobox, the opening sentence, and the discography. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:15, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

can you at least reinstate the infobox, opening sentence and discography then? im sure with the article up others will contribute who are fair and balanced but the simple framework just needs to be set up. Dustysuicide (talk) 01:18, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, that information is inadequate to establish the notability of the band. There are no reliable sources to support notability. Your best bet to ensure that a quality article is created is to make a request at Wikipedia:Requested articles. If I created an article with the content that you posted, minus the copied text, it would be promptly tagged and deleted by someone else. If the band is truly notable, someone else will create an article about them. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:26, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

i feel like that response is silly and i will provide new unbiased uncopy written text if allowed the chance. Dustysuicide (talk) 01:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I can only advise you on how things work and what obstacles you will encounter in trying to post information about a band with which you have a relationship. If you back up whatever you contribute with reliable sources and if you are careful to maintain a neutral point of view you might be ok. It is very important to understand that you cannot promote the band or use Wikipedia as a medium to promote the band. Your work may be edited mercilessly. Since you have admitted a relationship with the band, your contributions will be closely scrutinized. If it is found that you are promoting the attempting to promote the band, you will be blocked from editing. If you haven't done so already, please read WP:COI. -- Mufka ^(u) ^(t) ^(c) 01:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will simply start with a sentence and allow others to take it from there. Hope that works. Dustysuicide (talk) 01:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Per an earlier suggestion, please compose the article at User:Dustysuicide/Kill Me Tomorrow. Without reliable sources of notability, there is simply no way it'll stand since the requirement for bands is extremely high. Good luck. --PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

alright copy that i will try again in the morning.Dustysuicide (talk) 01:49, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You bet. Have a great weekend and feel free to ask for help. PMDrive1061 (talk) 01:55, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Help with Kill Me Tomorrow

{{helpme}} im trying to get up a Kill Me Tomorrow band page, i have the start of one up now. can you help me finish it and get it on the site?Dustysuicide (talk) 19:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ref. User:Dustysuicide/Kill Me Tomorrow

I am looking at this right now, and will respond here very soon - certainly within 1 hour. Chzz ► 19:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, I've made some minor changes to it, though as it currently stands it is not ready to be moved into the main article space. I'll have a look for some more references and I'm sure Chzz will come back with some good suggestions. VI^talk 19:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I just added one of those artist side tables with more information about the bandDustysuicide (talk) 19:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is, the article does not currently pass the notability guidelines - which are, specifically WP:BAND, but most importantly the general notability guideline.

Your article does not assert the notability of the subject. The single reference that you use is not enough; to assert notability, you need secondary reliable sources, such as a national newspaper, etc. Please read about verifiability.

Secondly, references - all facts given in the article must be referenced. Think of it this way - the reader must be able to check the facts for themselves. For example, if you cite a newspaper or book, it would be possible for a reader to obtain the paper/book and check the fact for themselves. Unfortunately, if you cannot find reliable secondary sources for information, it cannot be put on Wikipedia. For example - I could say that I was the Queen of Sheba, and create an article about myself - but that would not be permitted. I could also create a myspace page about myself and my Queenhood, and cite that - but that would still not be sufficient. I would have to wait until the BBC News picked up on my Queenhood, and wrote a story about it. Then, I could cite the BBC article and create my page.

I don't know if, in the case of this band, there will be enough reliable sources to show significant coverage. Chzz ► 19:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dustysuicide (talk) 20:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)i have some other great articles covering the band that i can put up as well, should i just put them in the external links section?[reply]

I've found a couple of references: [1], [2] though I question their reliablity. As Chzz has said, the band may not currently be notable enough for its own article. Read through some of the links Chzz has provided if you don't understand how reliability, notability and verifiability work here at Wikipedia. VI^talk 20:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Dustysuicide (talk) 20:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)not sure why this band is not notable enough, many of their contemporaries and tourmates are already up on wiki, both labels that have issued their full lengths are up as well. i'll continue to work more on this and hopefully the page will one day be up. xo[reply]

Dustysuicide (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)i added a bunch of footnotes so that readers can investigate themselves about the band and removed references to other bands.[reply]