User talk:E-sent

Welcome!

Hello, E-sent, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Royal Court of HM King Kigeli V, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may soon be deleted.

There's a page about creating articles you may want to read called Your first article. If you are stuck, and looking for help, please come to the New contributors' help page, where experienced Wikipedians can answer any queries you have! Or, you can just type {{helpme}} on this page, and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Here are a few other good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Questions or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! DanielRigal (talk) 20:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed deletion of Royal Court of HM King Kigeli V

The article Royal Court of HM King Kigeli V has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced, confusing, orphan article about the alleged royal court of a deposed king who seems to be in little position to operate a meaningful court. I tried redirecting this to his foundation, which has a stub article, but this was reverted. Without references this fails WP:V and the subject of any court he operates would be better handled in the article about him.

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. DanielRigal (talk) 20:55, 4 September 2011 (UTC) [edit] I'm working on behalf of a group of advisers to HM King Kigeli V to place on Wikipedia information similar to that of the official website, "royal-court.org." For obvious reasons, the official site would seem to be an appropriate citation for the Wikipedia entry. As the content is similar and the official cite has not been challenged, it's not been made clear to me why this should not suffice for what we would like to post as a permanent record. Perhaps I've not used the proper syntax for listing the url on Wikipedia and shall attempt to check on and rectify this.[reply]

Beyond the reference issue, you have leveled a criticism about HM the King that is subjective to the point of being snide and possibly racist. We would like to counter it by pointing out that the royal family of Rwanda dates back as far many of the royal families of Europe and, unlike many of them, remained in power far into the 20th century. It is pertinent that when HM the King was finally forced from power in 1961, he drew authority from a long line of absolute monarchs. As such, he had tremendous authority when he left. He was also an intelligent, educated and compassionate leader. He was not turned out of power by some popular uprising or group motivated by democratic ideals, as later events clearly show. Indeed, when the horrors of 1994 began, HM the King worked tirelessly to stop the madness. His positive, humanitarian work on behalf of Rwanda has been recognized by world leaders including President Obama. In fact, the Wikipedia page you question is part of a plan to reinvigorate his organization with an appropriate structure for more pronounced humanitarian initiatives in the future. But be advised that Rwanda is still beset by many problems and Rwanda is a country with a demonstrated history of things going very wrong. At this point, rhetoric intended to do good could be misunderstood and backfire. Indeed, this is why, in general, the language of diplomacy is not always as specific and active as the language employed by magazine writers.

But beyond these important considerations, please understand that the Royal Court site is to be the only official site intended for Royal Matters. The King Kigeli Foundation site where you attempted to redirect our page is not an official site at all, despite the language that proclaims it as such. The webmaster has been requested by the chancellor to repair and update the site many times but all to no avail. The foundation site is the work of one David Gerard, who is not HM the King's spokesman or representative and 85 percent of the site doesn't even function. Much of the site has not been updated in many years.

Finally, I ask that you examine your own practices in presenting information about royals who have been in similar circumstances during the 20th century. Look how you present kings like Constantine II of Greece who was deposed in 1967. You have numerous pages on him. When the country held a referendum on whether to bring him back, voters chose not to. Just what is so special about him? Presently in Rwanda there are serious discussion on bringing HM the King back and, unlike Constantine II, there is considerable support to do so. From Afghanistan, Albania, Bulgaria, Burundi and beyond, there must be 30 or so deposed royals given considerable space in your organization and HM the King should be afforded a similar opportunity. Wikipedia even has a listing titled, “Court (royal)” with a subheading for “Africa” that opens with the sentence, “The kingship system has been an integral part of the more centralized African societies for millenia...” Yes, this is quite true and it is why HM the King chooses to use the vernacular he does to describe his organization. Please abide by this request as it is valid and proper. E-sent (talk) 23:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Royal Court of HM King Kigeli V

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.
You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

A tag has been placed on Royal Court of HM King Kigeli V requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G12 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a clear copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted. You may use external websites as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences. This part is crucial: say it in your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing.

If the external website belongs to you, and you want to allow Wikipedia to use the text — which means allowing other people to modify it — then you must verify that externally by one of the processes explained at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. If you are not the owner of the external website but have permission from that owner, see Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission. You might want to look at Wikipedia's policies and guidelines for more details, or ask a question here.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, contest the deletion by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion". Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. DanielRigal (talk) 20:00, 11 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]