User talk:Grace PatriciaC

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March 2019

Welcome to Wikipedia. We appreciate your contributions, but in one of your recent edits to Timothée Chalamet, it appears that you have added original research, which is against Wikipedia's policies. Original research refers to material—such as facts, allegations, ideas, and personal experiences—for which no reliable, published sources exist; it also encompasses combining published sources in a way to imply something that none of them explicitly say. Please be prepared to cite a reliable source for all of your contributions. Thank you. - MrX 🖋 18:43, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your message! The user that reported my edit as original research, in fact, mistook the concept of the legal term of "presumption". The citation on the Wikipedia page of the French passport indicates that the possession of it establishes the presumption of French citizenship but cannot serve as a definitive proof; however, similar to the presumption of innocence where one is considered innocent unless proven otherwise and that the burden of proof is on the party that challenges the innocence, as I provided a reliable source as proof of the possession of a French passport of the subject, the subject should be considered a French citizen unless proven otherwise. If the user who reported my edit as original research were to challenge the French status of a French passport holder, the burden of proof should be on that user, not the other way around. The same way we cannot label a subject as guilty without proof of it. Grace PatriciaC (talk) 19:00, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

That would be true if this were a legal matter and if Wikipedia were subject to French law. Neither of those is the case, so we rely on our policies which require that anything written about a living person must be (directly) verifiable in a reliable source without combining facts to reach a novel conclusion. You interpreted French law and the fact that Chalamet has a French passport to conclude that he is a French citizen. That is textbook WP:SYNTH, and is forbidden under our policies.- MrX 🖋 20:12, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. It is very much appreciated. However, I would like to clarify that my original argument is whether the subject is to be described as a "French-American actor", for which I provided the source. The user argued without reasonable proof that such articles are unreliable, which was why the discussion had started in the first place. (I introduced the legal concept because the said user was challenging one of my sources on the basis of French Law, stating that according to it the possession of a French passport establishes the presumption of French status.) Thank you for taking the time to review my edits! Grace PatriciaC (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2019 (UTC)