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Regarding your edits to West Bromwich Albion F.C., firstly thanks for the copyedit to the grounds section, which seems to have improved the text. I think two paragraphs, rather than several is better though (one paragraph for former grounds and one paragraph for the Hawthorns). For the supporters section, I'm concerned that you have introduced material that isn't sourced, and I would like to restore the link to Psalm 23, which I think is relevant. Are you happy for me to review this section and remove any unreferenced material, and add this link back in? We could always seek input from other editors if necessary. Thanks. --Jameboy (talk) 22:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Jameboy, I understand your concerns and am OK if you want to remove unreferenced material. I do think the previous reference to Psalm 23 was slightly inaccurate however. I have no problem with there being a link to the psalm, but what we sing is not Psalm 23, it's a hymn based on the psalm. This is what I tried to get across in what I wrote - including the link to the hymn writer. Please feel free to make whatever changes you feel appropriate - you are clearly more experienced at this thing than I am and I trust you to take my points into consideration! Haydn01 (talk) 11:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, sorry I've been on Wikibreak, and have also been busy working on the Scott Carson article, which I'm hoping to nominate for Good Article fairly soon. I don't know too much about Christian hymns, but what you say about the Psalm seems to make sense. I think we should therefore link The Lord's my shepherd, which redirects to Psalm 23. However it still needs someone to mention The Lord's My Shepherd in the Psalm 23 article, which currently it isn't. That's assuming that The Lord's My Shepherd doesn't warrant its own article(?) Also is it The Lord's My Shepherd or The Lord Is My Shepherd? And which words are capitalised in its title? The other points about the references I will go through (hopefully tomorrow) on the article's talk page so that we can look at finding the relevant sources as necessary. --Jameboy (talk) 23:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. I've been doing some research and I think I may have to back down somewhat. The distinction between a psalm and a hymn is clearly not as absolute as I suggested. The words to The Lord's my Shepherd are from the Scottish Psalter of 1650 (i.e. they are one version of the psalm). However, they are in what's referrred to as "metric" form, which means they're translated liberally from the Hebrew so that they can be sung more easily. Also, this version is sung in many churches as a hymn rather than a psalm. For example the Methodist church (in which I was brought up) doesn't do psalms but this is one of the most popular hymns. In the Church of England however they also sing the hymn and (I guess - it's a long time since I attended an Anglican service) they will use other settings as psalms. I agree that the Psalm 23 article should explain all this - in a section of its own, but probably not in as much detail - and the WBA one should say something like "... The Lord's my shepherd, which is a setting of Psalm 23" - linking to the Psalm 23 article. I don't think The Lord's my Shepherd warrants an article of its own. As for capitalisation, I'd write "The Lord's my shepherd". And it's "The Lord's", not "The Lord is" - that's what it says in the psalter, and it's what's always sung (in church as well as in the stands.) Cheers, Haydn01 (talk) 16:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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