User talk:Iryna Harpy

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Hello. The 2016 Cuba population estimate ( 11,000,000 ) by U.S. Census Bureau is wrong. The official population of Cuba was 11,239,004 in 2015. Thanks. Cgx8253.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgx8253 (talkcontribs) 21:02, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

@Cgx8253: Apologies for the tardy response. I've taken a look at the 2012 census PDF reference you provided, and it's certainly meets with WP:RS. I'll expand the references, but I'll remove the population clock as it's not RS. Thanks for finding the 2012 census! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:14, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

AfD: Mister X[edit]

Hi Iryna, I would appreciate it if you could have a look at Mister X (band) when you have the time. I created it a while ago and then early this month it was nominated for deletion. I've tried my best to deal with the issues raised, which in my opinion weren't all that valid to begin with, but the person who nominated the article is not at all interested in taking part in the discussion. I think an opinion from anyone else could be useful here and it might motivate them to do something - whether that means deleting the article or preserving it, because they don't seem to be taking my arguments seriously at all. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 10:47, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

@Samotny Wędrowiec: I've taken a quick look and can see why they're not considered to be notable according to English language sources and site like Bandcamp. I'll take a look at the Polish and other language sources as they seem to be more notable than half of the band articles that exist for US bands. There's so much self promotion in the music articles that I'd love to nominate thousands of articles for deletion for not meeting any form of notability criteria. I'll see whether I can raise an argument to retain the article. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, and I agree that Bandcamp and sources from the band itself are not the best, but it's the easiest place to find up-to-date info about their discography and line-up. However I don't understand why they're taking issue with interviews and news stories from decent or well-known websites. --Samotny Wędrowiec (talk) 11:30, 1 August 2016 (UTC)
Essentially, they don't know that Komsomol'skaia Pravda, etc. are respectable sources. As for zines, the problem is that there are so many of them around, and it's difficult to know which few are taken seriously and not just run by amateurs. AllMusic, for example, is understood to be a discerning zine (therefore an RS). There are a few specialist zines for various genres that are also well established. What stands out about these is that they're Anglophone orientated unless a band (Laibach, etc) have made it globally, meaning that bands with a genuine profile in other parts of the world are precluded. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Victoria immigration - source[edit] Xx236 (talk) 06:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Xx236. I've been meaning to do some more work on updating the Polish Australians article. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:11, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 04 August 2016[edit]

Polish Genocide[edit]

FWIW / FYI, I have also nominated its sibling for deletion; the sibling had been added (possibly in a spam-like fashion) to the "See Also" of multiple articles, so it is / was not eligible for speedy deletion. CaradhrasAiguo (talk) 15:46, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for the notification, CaradhrasAiguo. I was intending to check the user's other edits, but was distracted by other activities on Wikipedia. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 20:45, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

List of sovereign states and dependencies by area[edit]

Hello. Read the official area of China and United States in United Nations. It is OFFICIAL area, not Encyclopedia Britannica or CIA World Factbook. USA: 9,833,517 sq km (3rd place) and China 9,596,961 sq km (4th place). You can fix the article. Thanks. Cgx8253. 8/13/2016.

My edits are not disruptive[edit]

In addition, I am not in control of my IP address.My unjust ban expired from an account I've never even used on the 14th. Please tell me how removed uncited,biased fringe opinions are disruptive. Tell me threatening to ban a user editing in good faith is acceptable. I will be notifying others of this-2601:546:8103:290:44EC:F9B:A7C7:FD2C (talk) 10:11, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

I'm not bothering to read your nonsense. An edit war starts when a person initially reverts another. As you did.And continue to do-2601:546:8103:290:44EC:F9B:A7C7:FD2C (talk) 10:27, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Iryna, you have done three reverts to the page on Arab Christians in the past 25 hours. If you wish to that more reverts are made to the page on Sunday 14th, my advice would be to explain your proposed revert on Talk:Arab Christians and hope that another editor will make the revert.-- Toddy1 (talk) 10:45, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

Some advice[edit]

I think I'll give you some advice regarding your behavior with IP Address - 2601:546:8103:290:44EC:F9B:A7C7:FD2C. I checked his sources and his material and they are completely correct and justified + made in good faith. Unnecessary reversion of good faith edits is considered disruptive editing and you can be blocked from editing if you continue to revert good faith edits unnecessary. There are talk pages! Discuss and try to get to a solution rather than just reverting. Moreover there are 5,226,647 to edit - edit a less controversial page. You are already involved in a case at ANI and you are continuing to revert his edits! Remember my advice or you might regret! Thanks and Regards. VarunFEB2003 I am Online 12:48, 14 August 2016 (UTC)

And yes another point I should tell you - please do not bite the newcommers. And when you issue a Level 4 warning(highest warning) of using multiple IP's you have to justify the names of other IP's too! VarunFEB2003 I am Online 12:51, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Iryna_Harpy_wants_to_ban_me. VarunFEB2003, some of your advice is... unhelpful. --NeilN talk to me 13:17, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I don't think so NeilN go ahead check it out once again there is a apology notice there. Face-smile.svg VarunFEB2003 I am Online 13:19, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
  1. "Unnecessary reversion of good faith edits is considered disruptive editing" - Obviously Iryna doesn't agree with the edit.
  2. "Moreover there are 5,226,647 to edit - edit a less controversial page." - Condescending
  3. "You are already involved in a case at ANI and you are continuing to revert his edits!" - Misguided as no one including yourself bothered to notify Iryna of the ANI thread which is required
--NeilN talk to me 13:26, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
I am sorry not to inform I thought just writing was enough! What is condescending? If Iryna doesn't agree she can discuss! VarunFEB2003 I am Online 13:28, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
"You are already involved in a case at ANI and you are continuing to revert his edits!" - How is Iryna supposed to know they're involved in a case at ANI if no one notified them? And telling an experienced editor involved in what seems to be a simple content dispute that, "Moreover there are 5,226,647 to edit - edit a less controversial page" is condescending. Please think a bit more before using phrases you've picked up somewhere. --NeilN talk to me 13:40, 14 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for notifying me, NeilN. It is, indeed, difficult to be aware of someone having opened an ANI thread when one is completely unaware of it. VarunFEB2003, please note that I have addressed your concerns on the ANI thread. Note, also, that your 'advice' actually assumes bad faith on my behalf. I'd suggest that you should refrain from handing out advice so freely to editors with far more experience than yourself. I understand that you are very enthusiastic (which is great), but be careful not to let your new-found powers go to your head. The machinations of Wikipedia are far more complex than you've had time to fathom as yet. Should you choose to advise other editors in this manner again, you might encounter someone aggressive than I. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Varun, you are in no position to give "advice" to another editor who has much more experience than you. You've been here for only a few months. Iryna has been here for 4 years. I have been here for three years, and I believe you are way in over your head. You should refrain from telling editors what to do when they have more experience. You have a lot to learn. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} 02:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

VarunFEB2003 I am Online 06:10, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Cheers, VarunFEB2003. It's all part of the learning curve. Please don't let it put you off editing. There's always room for enthusiasm and some mistakes (not that I've ever made a mistake... or a few hundred of them)! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:19, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
Thanks a lot Iryna you are a true sport! VarunFEB2003 I am Online 06:29, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Russian population figures[edit]

Hello Iryna, I was wondering when you were going to get back to me on the ethnic Russian population issue? Retaurn (talk) 01:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi, Retaurn. My sincerest apologies. I've been caught up in other issues on Wikipedia, and it slipped my mind. Thanks for the reminder. Now I have to remember what the solution I had in mind was! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:38, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Has your solution come back to you? If not, would it at all be possible to change the figure in the infobox so that it states 111 million - 115 million along with a note on the 111 million figure pointing out the the reason for the lower estimate? (It would be structured very similar to the Czech page I realize that the article is protected and edits have to be reviewed correct? Retaurn (talk) 06:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

ANI notice[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. You were never formally given notice about the thread at ANI filed by an IP. Callmemirela 🍁 {Talk} 01:43, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the official notification, Callmemirela... and for your supportive comment. Appreciated! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 03:33, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


Special:Contributions/!rynaH Is this you? Sro23 (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up, Sro23. No, the account has nothing to do with me. I use my global account to edit all wikis, and have had no interest in creating any alternative accounts. If I ever were to do so, I'd certainly tag it as being an alternative account.
I hope this user isn't trying to make it look as if I've created sleeper accounts. So far, Ukrainian Wikipedia has been the focus of their 4 edits. I'm not certain as to whether this is worth requesting that they change their user name. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:05, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
I think it may be wise Iryna. Nipping in the bud and all that. I suspect the intentions behind it are not benign. It could be a perfectly harmless co-incidence but we can see how user activity develops in the next few days and act (or not) accordingly. Simon. Irondome (talk) 23:08, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
@Irondome: Thanks for the prompt, Simon. Yes, I'm not comfortable about it, particularly as it coincides with a day of prominent ANI attention and edit wars on other articles. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:53, 15 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) The name Iryna and variants of it are common in countries such as Ukraine and Russia, shared by people such as Iryna Farion, Iryna Krasnianska and Iryna Herashchenko. Doesn't seem to me like an impersonator to me at the moment. Linguist 111 Please reply on the current talk page and ping me by typing {{ping|Linguist111}} before your message as a courtesy 14:52, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) - Perhaps I'm assuming bad faith here but it seems rather weird that they've used the H at the end, All for we know it could be completely harmless but personally I'd politely tell them about your name and that it could potentially cause alot of confusion here and would they mind changing it, If not block 'em, Usernames will always be similar but something just seems fishy iMHO. –Davey2010Talk 15:03, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Names and surnames beginning with H (romanisations of the Cyrillic characters Г and Х) are also common in e.g. Ukraine. Judging by the edits made so far by the user, it doesn't seem like an instance of impersonation. Linguist 111 Please reply on the current talk page and ping me by typing {{ping|Linguist111}} before your message as a courtesy 15:08, 16 August 2016 (UTC)
@Linguist111: Being Ukrainian, I'm well aware of how common any given set of characters are for a common name in Slavic languages, much less the Ukrainian transliteration variant of my first name... but that is not reflected in Wikipedia monikers. Try running a search for "user:Iryna" just as a general search. There are no other users using any form of Iryna anything outside of Iryna Harpey and other convolutions trading on my moniker as an explicit impersonation. Using an exclamation mark in lieu of a capital 'i' makes it all the more suspicious. Decades ago, I was advised that the golden rule in anyone's working life (in whatever manner one chooses to apply the concept of paid or unpaid 'work') is to always cover your butt. It's probably the most intelligent and relevant piece of advice I've ever been given. I work on Eastern European articles and a multitude of other highly controversial areas of Wikipedia. This makes me a high profile target for strange fan clubs and extremely malicious WP:GRUDGEs.
I do apologise if it seems to be a rude observation on my behalf, but I actually find your current signature to be visually distracting in its length, and a little condescending in explaining how to 'ping' you. I'm honestly not trying to have a dig at you, but it does push the envelope in terms of WP:SIGLENGTH. In fact, it isn't really appropriate to leave such instructions as many of us express our own preference as to where to answer on the user talk page you would be posting to. Many users express a preference for responding to user talk page comments on the other user's page (as per the top of my own talk). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:39, 17 August 2016 (UTC)
Cheers, all, for your input (including Davey2010). I do believe it to have been a good idea to at least clarify my relationship to the !rynaH account 'officially' as being zero/nought. I trust Vanjagenije's judgement, and I'll be watching the new account. For me, the primary issue was to have it on record that it's not me for the benefit of all the editors I collaborate with. Happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────One thing you can do, if you haven't done so already, is create doppelgänger accounts—accounts created from your main account, with usernames similar to yours but changed like an impersonator may change them (e.g. with close typos; some suggestions: Iryna Harpi, Irina Harpy, IrynaHarpy, Irnya Harpy), to prevent impersonation. To do this, go to Special:CreateAccount while logged in and create an account from there, then either place {{Doppelgänger|Iryna Harpy}} on the user and user talk pages of the account, or redirect the account's user pages to yours. I've shortened my sig, I hope it's not too distracting now. Linguist 111 If you reply here, please ping me. 21:02, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Cheers for the suggestion, Linguist111. It has occurred to me in the past as a reasonable idea but, for some reason, I've never reached the point of paranoia/healthy sense of self-preservation to bother thinking through convolutions on my handle enough to feel motivated to go through the effort. It's very likely a good idea to do so... but I'll probably forget in the face of the "really, really, really important stuff I absolutely must get on with before I do anything else." I suspect that you're inordinately more sensible than am I, and I should seriously consider it. Cheers for your input and concern... and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:55, 19 August 2016 (UTC)


Hello, I did remove Slovakia from the page Ukrainians but I did forget to put instead Spain; I reverted your last change and this time I went to my last edit and also I manually added Spain with the proper source.

Slovakia hasn't got any source/citation from long time ago, so I removed it as the old number it can't be proven. If you find a source mentioning the number of ukrainians in Slovakia, please feel free to add it to the page!

Kind regards. --TechnicianGB (talk) 23:03, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

@TechnicianGB: Ah, I actually just found the addition here by an IP, so it's only been in place (unreferenced from the start) since 15 April this year. The article is subject to constant, ridiculous edit warring, so this entry must have just been overlooked by all eyes watching the page. It was slipped in during an edit war over genetics. Cheers for picking up on it! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2016 (UTC)


I can't remember if I ever asked you to collaborate on an ambitious de-crap-some-annony-with-an-agenda-added-ifying mission on Genocides in history. Because that article is moronic. Genocide is a legal concept, yet wikipedia largely disregards the legal definition. Why?!?! Ugh. The definition is problematic in the first place considering it includes a religious group due to ignorance about the fact Jews are an ethnic group. Fortunately the "religion" definition has never been used to try someone for genocide in court, as its pretty much recognized to mean "killing of a people", and religious groups are not people. If the definition means a religious group than there would have been a genocide of Arians. Hell even The American Heritage Dictionary is clueless "The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group". ANGER!!!! So many people trivialize genocide by expanding genocide to include everything ("genocide of black people by the police"). Personally I use the terms "total genocide" and "partial genocide",and "ideological genocide" and "utilitarian genocide" to distinguish between genocides. Utilitarian partial genocides are the most common, so common that they leak into "mere" mass murder. An example is every empire crushing a separatist revolt ever. Most of all the fact that the article includes the expulsion of germans is disgusting. --Monochrome_Monitor 01:48, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

That is your personal definition of 'genocide' - the dictionary's definition is what is accepted by scholars and taught in schools. Sorry, you are incorrect. (talk) 09:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 August 2016[edit]

Russian Armed Forces[edit]

Hello Iryna Harpy,

I noticed that you undid my change. I made the change because the Russian Armed Forces entry contains an inconsistency. The introductory paragraph indicates as follows:

Armed forces under the Ministry of Defence are divided into:

• the three "branches of Armed Forces" (вида вооружённых сил): the Ground Force, Aerospace Forces, and the Navy

• the two "separate troop branches" (Отдельные рода войск): the Strategic Missile Troops and the Airborne Troops

• the Rear of the Armed Forces, which has a separate status of its own

However, under the heading “Structure” further down in the entry the following is indicated [my comments in brackets]

“The Russian military is divided into three services: the Russian Ground Forces, the Russian Navy, and the Russian Air Force [rather than the Russian Aerospace Forces as noted above]. In addition there are three independent arms of service: [above indicates two] Strategic Missile Troops, Russian Aerospace Defense Forces [note comment on this arm of service below], and the Russian Airborne Troops. The Air Defence Troops, the former Soviet Air Defence Forces, have been subordinated into the Air Force since 1998. The Armed Forces as a whole are traditionally referred to as the Army (armiya), except in some cases, the Navy is specifically singled out.”

As the Wikipedia entry on the Russian Air Force entry makes clear, the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces and the Russian Air Force were merged to form the similar sounding “Russian Aerospace Forces”. Here is the wording from the Wikipedia entry on the Russian Air Force: "On 1 August 2015, the Russian Air Force, along with the Russian Aerospace Defense Forces and the Air Defense Troops, were merged into a new branch of the Armed Forces, now officially called the Russian Aerospace Forces."

Thus, I would suggest that my edit be reinstated as the current entry appears incorrect. Suggested edit:

"The Russian military is divided into three services: the Russian Ground Forces, the Russian Navy, and the Russian Aerospace Forces. In addition there are two independent arms of service: the Strategic Missile Troops and the Russian Airborne Troops. The Air Defence Troops, the former Soviet Air Defence Forces, have been subordinated into the Air Force since 1998. The Armed Forces as a whole are traditionally referred to as the Army (armiya), except in some cases, the Navy is specifically singled out." — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:15, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP Thanks for making contact with me as regards your edit. I've just reviewed it and agree that it's a vast improvement. I'm afraid that I reverted you having only taken a cursory glance at the content changes. I've now self-reverted so that your content change stands. Welcome to Wikipedia, and happy editing! --Iryna Harpy (talk) 01:30, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Proper Decorum When Editing Articles' Talk Pages[edit]

Cheers! I know you've been a Wikipedia editor for several years now and have likely already read it, but, in case you haven't, I wanted to let you know about this essay: Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines.

You recently edited the talk page for the article "Auction chant" by deleting the contribution of another editor (i.e. me), and that is the reason I am leaving you a message here.

It is my opinion that the always well-intentioned Wikipedia editor only edits articles with the intention of improving them and only edits articles' talk pages with the intention of helping other editors improve the respective articles.

Editing, moving or deleting another editor's good faith comments on an article's talk page in a way that changes their content/meaning is, imo, in poor taste and I believe not consistent with conventional Wikipedia standard of decorum when editing article talk pages.

That being said, I am not accusing you of any such; I choose to assume, in good faith, that you, accidentally reverted my comment on the talk page. I hope, if you do read my comment the talk page, that you might be able to understand how I, who happened to stumble upon an article I didn't think was especially well written, decided to check the talk page to see if I might be able to easily assist any editors who were trying to improve the article, and after corresponding with another editor on the talk page, left a message in hopes it might help them or any other good faith editor who might be interested in improving the article.

I happened to glimpse your Wikipedia user page, and I thought maybe that you might be one who prides themselves in being able to be objective, so I thought you might appreciate, as food for thought, this rhetorical question: Is it possible that some Wikipedia editors develop a subjective prejudice against edits made by 'IP editors' because, in fact, so many disruptive edits do come from 'IP editors'?

Although it's a relatively insignificant article, if you do have a little free time, you would impress me much if you took some time to improve Auction chant. In the little bit of time I spent looking, I couldn't find many good reliable sources, but it was easy to find some video examples on YouTube that really gave a good impression of what the 'auction chant' was, a much better impression than the one I got from reading the article. I wasn't able to improve the article, but I hope you can!

Best wishes and here's hoping Wikipedia keeps getting better!

P.S. No reply necessary. If you do want to leave a reply here,I will try to check back, and I will also try to check back on the article

--anon (talk) 04:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Hello, IP My sincerest apologies for reverting your comment there. Judging by my edit summary, I suspect that I had a number of articles open and reverted your talk page comment instead of some disruptive WP:SOAP on another article talk page... which begs the question of which talk page was being misused!
To be honest, I have my doubts as to the encyclopaedic value the article and would lean towards it being in the realms of "other stuff exists". I'm not much one for being a deletionist unless an article is obvious POV pushing or promotional material. On the other hand, it does need to be globalised if it stays, and it's definitely treading on the toes of "no original research" and WP:SYNTH. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:18, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

Comorian language[edit]

You left a message about my edits to the Comorian language page. I'm afraid I don't have sources to cite unless you want to read through the whole body of literature by Comorian linguists but I have lived in the Comoros, speak Shingazdja, know many, many Comorians who speak the different dialects and know what I am talking about. But there is no such language as "Comorian" or "Shikomori" or "Shimasiwa": try and find a "Comorian" dictionary: there isn't one because there is no such language. There's no source for "Comorian (Shikomori or Shimasiwa, the "language of islands") is the most widely used language on the Comoros" - whoever wrote this made it up since no-on in the Comoros speaks "Comorian". Perhaps you should delete that too. It seems to me that Wikipedia should be correct, so I corrected it, but I really don't care if it's not. If you know more about the Comorian languages than I do, then of course, please do correct the entry. (Actually, having written that, I see you already have the sources for my edit at the bottom of the page - or haven't you read Chamanga's work?) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ngazidja (talkcontribs) 08:54, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

@Ngazidja: The Comorian language article is a stub in need of improvement per WP:PSA, not WP:OR. Your addition and changes here did not improve the stub, but added more unsubstantiated and unverifiable content. It's irrelevant whether I've even met a Comorian or speak a syllable of any Comorian language: the WP:BURDEN is on the editor introducing content to demonstrate that it is backed up by reliable sources. I understand that it is frustrating to know things about a subject without being able to demonstrate it to be true, but Wikipedia is an encyclopaedic resource.
Now, the issue of whether the article should or shouldn't exist is something you're welcome to bring up on the article's talk page. Perhaps that matter could be easily addressed by renaming the article to Comorian languages. The other thing I noted in regards to your change is that you changed the scope of the article from dealing explicitly with the languages spoken in Comoros - the nation-state - to that of the Comoro Islands, an article on the geographic region. Languages and ethnic groups are associated to a 'country' and diaspora rather than a geographic region (i.e., Filipino language, Hebrew language, et al.).
Finally, please try not to take the process of editing WP:PERSONALLY. Your tone suggests that you are not assuming good faith on my behalf. I understood your content changes to have been made in good faith, and don't doubt that you know far more than I about the languages spoken in Comoros. Nonetheless, BURDEN applies. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:49, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

I have no issues either way, although I would point out (again) that by your criteria the sentence "Comorian (Shikomori or Shimasiwa, the "language of islands") is the most widely used language on the Comoros" should be removed since it is unsubstantiated and unverified (in addition to being wrong). And you state that this is about the country rather than the islands - so why is Shimaore mentioned? It's spoken in Mayotte (France), not in the Comoros. Anyway, as I tell my students, Wikipedia is not a reliable source. I apologise if I seemed personal, but this is not the first time you have objected to my editing unsubstantiated and unverifiable text about the Comoros. the last time you objected to my removing what appeared to be a generic copy paste sentence about Hindu minorities in the islands - also, obviously, unsubstantiated and unverifiable since there are none. My assumption is, since you appear to object to my correcting unsubstantiated and unverifiable text is that you have a personal political agenda here. Otherwise why would you not object to the material (unsubstantiated and unverifiable: the footnote reference leads to a blank webpage on a Mormon website.) that I am correcting? But again, this is just something I felt required correcting since I came across it and it was incorrect. I really have no issues either way and am happy to leave it as you wish it to be.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:01, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

I have no opinions on the matter whatsoever. A few Comoros related articles are on my watchlist simply because of bouts of vandalism in the past. Please read WP:PRESERVE. What I do understand is that it doesn't mean that the article is somehow so broken that it can be understood to fall into the WP:CANTFIX category. We don't simply delete articles because we don't think the content is good enough to delete it because it simply wouldn't meet with WP:AfD. As I have already expressed to you, the place to hold such a discussion is on the article's talk page where other interested editors will join in and form a WP:CONSENSUS as to how to best handle the current content (and on the other article you were involved in). You and I do not form a consensus by discussing content on my talk page: the process needs to be transparent for the purposes of keeping other editors in the loop.
As to my having a 'political agenda' here... What agenda would that be? I'm sorry, but that assumption strikes me as being seriously nonsensical. My only knowledge of the Comoros is summarised by this BBC article. Like much of Africa, it has been exploited and, once the economy was run into the ground, the colonists pulled out in order to be 'noble' and grant 'independence'... leaving a state of social and economic strife and poverty in their wake. Sadly, this is echoed in Banana Republics and brutal military regimes throughout the continent and time.
My final suggestion to you is that you try not to forget to log in when you're editing. It's bad practice, plus it gives away a lot about you: i.e., your location. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:33, 24 August 2016 (UTC)


I saw your edits on Dominican Republic and looked at some of your edit. They are very impressive and inspirational. BlackAmerican (talk) 12:19, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Undue bias on Nikolai Gogol[edit]

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]


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@Robert McClenon: I'm finding myself wondering why you didn't reject this DRN after its being filed less than 24 hours from when the initiating editor first edited the article itself. The editor's first edit to the article was at 17:41, 24 August 2016; his/her first comment on the talk page was at 17:47, 24 August 2016; my first response wasn't until 21:52, 24 August 2016; s/he filed the DRN at 23:33, 24 August 2016. How on earth does that even begin to constitute 'extensive discussion'?
This conclusion on your behalf reads as an indictment of my not wanting to engage in mediation. While it may be true that I wasn't prepared to participate in a DRN I don't believe should have been accepted because it blatantly fails "recently discussed extensively on a talk page", I was certainly not the only party invited to participate who had already joined in the discussion where it still belongs: on the talk page... and without participating in the DRN. In fact, how is it a dispute related to the Gogol biography when the filing party named an editor who has never touched the article, an editor who doesn't exist; tossed the Chekhov biography into the mix (I'm not involved in the Chekhov biography) is beyond me. By the time you closed, another two editors had involved themselves in the discussion (that's a total of 5 editors using the talk page to discuss the issue by day 2). So, could you please explain why you believed the DRN merited volunteering your services? --Iryna Harpy (talk) 22:27, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

About RfCs[edit]

RfCs can be closed by anyone, as far as I know. (But they should have good reasons, that is all.) (talk) 02:54, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

No, the prerequisite is that they are experienced editors. You do not have any traceable experience. It's not written into any of the RfC guidelines simply because it is WP:COMMONSENSE. Can you see, by any stretch of logic, why an IP with 3 edits to their credit (especially as you appear to be IP hopping or have a dynamic IP adding up to about 7 or 8 edits in total - and mainly reverting back your closure which has been reverted as invalid by a number of experienced editors) would meet with the requisite skills to interpret the outcome of an RfC, or that they meet with being understood to be neutral and uninvolved closers? Even assuming good faith, there is nothing to indicate that you have any idea of the nuances of closing an RfC, much less an RfC in an area that falls under Wikipedia sanctions. The RfC was submitted for official closure because of the sensitivity of the subject matter, and because the editors who participated want the assurance that it will be closed by an uninvolved, experienced editor/sysop who has a known track record, and whose track record can be quantified and qualified by their editing history. Furthermore, there is no way of establishing whether you are one of the interested parties not logged into your account. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 10:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Human rights in Ukraine[edit]

Why didn't you give the same advice to Lute88? Why don't you start a discussion yourself? I see that you are both Ukrainians, are you working as a team? There are many biased statements in the article and my edit was a minor one. I am planning on making other changes so that the article reflect the sources more faithfully. --Mlc1968 (talk) 13:40, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Take any discussion of content to the talk page of the article... and, no, we are not a 'team'. Please read WP:CIVIL and familiarise yourself with guides on assuming good faith and no personal attacks. Thanks. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard; Talk:Abkhazia[edit]

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