User talk:JimKillock

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Fix a random page lacking sources

CactiStaccingCrane (talk)18:52, 1 February 2024 UTC [refresh]via JWB and Geardona (talk to me?)

Latin videos

Hey there! You've recently added videos of readings of less-than-famous texts by Kant and Hegel in their original Latin (with English subtitles) to the body of these articles. But they wouldn't meet my criteria for inclusion even in the list of external links. Has this been discussed anywhere? Or is there some other justification? How do these help to inform or engage readers? I'm just confused. Both philosophers did almost all of their writing in German. Cheers, Patrick (talk) 00:52, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Patrick, I suppose there are a few reasons why they might be useful; firstly I suspect that most readers would have no idea that these writers wrote in Latin at all, much less delivered lectures or wrote books or letters in the language. I don't know the precise state of higher education delivery but it's likely that philosophy was still usually taught in Latin (ie lectures and essays were in Latin) at the point of their careers in Germany. This feels like quite central information as context to their academic working lives, but of course it is rarely known or discussed anymore, because Latin is thought to be something to do with the Romans.

The examples added do show the state and decline of Latin quite well, as it goes, as Kant's early work was in Latin, but he clearly moved to writing in German early in his career, while for Hegel, working a little later, Latin was mostly an academic concern (dissertation, formal lectures, etc). If I was researching this I would take a look to see how much of their academic activity (as opposed to literary output) was in Latin; I imagine it would have been quite a lot. Jim Killock (talk) 04:51, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Jim, I'm glad for someone to be improving Wikipedia's coverage of Latin. (I took it myself in high school, and I wish that I remembered it better.) These articles, however, do not seem like the right place to call attention to its existence—at least beyond the titles of their dissertations. If you could find sources on either discussing the significance of their training in Latin, this could be added to the biography section(s). Otherwise, I'm afraid it's WP:UNDUE. The Kant lectures for which I've seen transcripts were in German, and I know that Hegel not only lectured in German, but claimed that German was especially well-suited to philosophical thought. Patrick (talk) 14:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for considering this fairly. On this: If you could find sources on either discussing the significance of their training in Latin, this could be added to the biography section(s) - I agree that is probably needed, and ought to show that in that both figures are likely to have spent a lot of their working lives using Latin. As the articles are biographical (focused on the whole literature about the person) not philosophical (focused on their thought only) this would make sense. Can you give me a few days to think whether I have time to do this? As you can imagine I've got quite a few Wikipedia things going on. Jim Killock (talk) 14:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

No problem! My only real concern is that people who click on the videos might be distracted away from the rest of the article. Patrick (talk) 14:57, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for you patience! It should work that they open on page, and are not taken away from the article, and return to it on closing the video player which is layered on top of it. But yes everything is a potential distraction! Jim Killock (talk) 15:04, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

@Patrick Welsh FWIW I made an initial scan through on Kant and Hegel, and found plenty of discussion of Kant's Latin works, the scholarly neglect of them and their importance to understanding him; as well as Kant's delivering of Latin philosophy lectures at University. The text the video covers is also of some scholarly note. With Hegel, there is more discussion of his interest in Latin than its direct relevance to his work, or its usage in his career, so far. On the lectures at Berlin, it is shame the second one wasn't the subject of the video, as that shed light on his views on Catholicism. I'll keep digging for a bit until I find out more. Jim Killock (talk) 18:09, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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Pbritti (talk) 01:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)