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Hello, Jjs hd, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions.

I noticed that one of the first articles you edited was Eliphas Levi, which appears to be dealing with a topic with which you may have a conflict of interest. In other words, you may find it difficult to write about that topic in a neutral and objective way, because you are, work for, or represent, the subject of that article. Your recent contributions may have already been undone for this very reason.

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I'm not so sure that WP:COI as a whole applies as much as WP:SELFCITE. Seeing as your sources were published by Walter de Gruyter and Taylor & Francis, they pretty clearly meets WP:Identifying reliable source. There could be potential arguments about undue weight on the source, but you're citing other works enough to satisfy me. Only issue I can find at the moment is that the line "In fact, Bulwer-Lytton's famous novel A Strange Story (1862) includes a rather unflattering remark about Constant's Dogme et rituel" relies on a primary source in a way that arguably goes against our policy against original research. Yes, it's clearly negative, but we could use a non-primary source to establish that the negativity is noteworthy and indicative of a broader trend. Other than that, the only improvements I can think of (and would try to carry out myself if my plate wasn't full) would be to document what Papus's and Waite's narratives about Levi were (just for completeness sake). No need to give them artificially equal validity, just "here's what they thought since these stories have been influential." Thanks for the great read and welcome to Wikipedia. Ian.thomson (talk) 08:24, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Ian, thanks for your kind message and the suggestions. If some uncertainties about speficic aspects arise, there is definitely room to refer to more other sources. Most of the respective information goes back to Chacornac, which is why it didn't make too much sense to list much of the later scholarship. A good English paraphrase and extension of Chacornac is McIntosh, who is cited, too. I understand the issue with Bulwer-Lytton, and included a reference to Strube 2016; I almost feel bad about naming this source again, but it just happens to be the most comprehensive study. With respect to the narrative by Papus, I have moved the sentence dealing with Wronski to the previous paragraph to make clearer that this is the very narrative that was mentioned. It's an option to explain the Waite narrative at a later point, so that's definitely something that could be elaborated. --Jjs hd (talk) 08:49, 3 June 2016 (UTC)[reply]