User talk:Job101010

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Really?

My search indicates that there is no mention of occultism in this book. [1] Are you sure that is your proper source for the claim? Active Banana (^bananaphone 21:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Occultist is an all-encompassing term that refers to groups that, "not easily apprehended or understood" and connotes that the group is secretive in nature. Hay was known for his involvement in the Agape temple and OTO (the group founded by Aleister Crowley); both groups are considered occult. Hay's Radical Faeries could also be described as an occult group with no definite doctrines for outsiders to study. Moreover, I provided a description of the Faeries that indicated that the Faeries were based on "spirituality." Thus, the group was a borderline new religious group but with no doctrines.

December 2010

Welcome to Wikipedia. Please be aware of Wikipedia's policy that biographical information about living persons must not include unsupported or inaccurate statements. Whenever you add possibly controversial statements about a living person to an article or any other Wikipedia page, as you did to Harry Hay, you must include proper sources. If you don't know how to cite a source, you may want to read Wikipedia:Referencing for beginners for guidelines. Thank you. To say that Hay was a "a fervid supporter of the North American Man-Boy Love Association" would require rather clearer sourcing. That he may have had controversial political or liberal views on NAMBLA does not mean that he was either a member or an active "boy lover".

Further note; my comments are based on a partial view of the book you have cited using Google Books - Timmons, Stuart (1990), The trouble with Harry Hay: founder of the modern gay movement, Alyson, ISBN 9781555831752 - if you believe that your text is a fair representation, please include an associated direct quote from the source material in the citation (try using the quote= parameter using {{citation}}). Obviously any mention of NAMBLA is going to be repeatedly scrutinized for credibility and so for any such material to be retained in an article it will need explicit sourcing. Thanks, Fæ (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]