User talk:KLi 32

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Great start to your user page!

Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 20:53, 18 February 2013 (UTC)

Welcome[edit]

Hi KLi 32. Welcome to Wikipedia! I'm an online ambassador for your Global Youth Studies course at Drake. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, chat with us on IRC, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question.

I was impressed that you compared the Spanish Wikipedia's article for Nueva canción to the one here. Broadening that article to include national manifestations sounds great. I'll probably leave some comments on the talk page for that article. Youth voice could also use some expansion and I'd be curious to see what you would add. Gobōnobō + c 20:38, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

I agree with Gobonobo's assessment. I hope that as you do work on the Nueva Cancion article that you can incorporate youth studies insights into the work. I am looking forward to seeing you get started so we can talk about your ideas and plans. I have jumped into the Youth politics essay and am working on an introduction in my sandbox.Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 23:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Feedback[edit]

KLi 32,

I am excited to hear more about your topic. It sounds very interesting, especially the youth voice page. I feel like it could be really awesome to hear more about the role that this plays for youth. You seem to have some great interests for this project. I can't wait to see more! Good luck!
Rbachman (talk) 03:54, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Systemic bias and community interaction[edit]

Hi KLi 32. I was told that you may be writing an honor's thesis analyzing systemic bias and community interaction on Wikipedia. I wanted to point you towards some resources that could be useful in such an endeavor. For starters, Wikipedia:Systemic bias is an essay that gives a good overview of system bias here. The article academic studies about Wikipedia has a decent overview of the peer-reviewed literature. Specific journal articles and academic studies can be found on the Wikipedia:Academic studies of Wikipedia page. Finally, Wikipedia's in-house newsletter The Signpost regularly features write ups on recent research. The most recent is here and more can be found by scrolling to the bottom and clicking on the "← Previous 'Recent research'" link. Good luck to you. Gobōnobō + c 23:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you so much for pointing me toward these resources. I will keep you updated as my research continues as I understand this is an interest of yours as well. All the best. KLi 32 (talk) 22:11, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Good proposal[edit]

KLi32, I have been slow in responding to your good work. You are correct that this is a proposal, not a draft of an article. I think that your article proposal has potential ("Youth and Musical Identity.") I would caution you that WP is very strict about not making an "argument" in the article (the opposite of what we seek to do in academic writing). This does not preclude using Laughey's book, but it means to use it with care. Also, Furlong looks at subculture and music, as does the Handbook of Youth and Young Adulthood.edited by Dr. Furlong. I also suggest you consider how your proposal is in conversation with the "Youth Subculture" article and related pages. Let's talk tomorrow night. Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 05:04, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

An article on Youth and musical identity could work. Unfortunately, we don't even have an article for musical identity, so it will involve some trailblazing. Your article will need to use quality sources that directly address youth musical identity, preferably using that exact terminology. Laughey's book seems like a good start. A search on Google Scholar brings up sources that will help to assert the notability of your topic. On your user page, you said that you plan to use your experience "to inform my contribution while drawing conclusions on the general trends from Laughey’s research." I want to be sure that you are familiar with the policy on original research. For encyclopedic writing, it is important not to craft your own conclusions from the literature, but rather to report and summarize. I look forward to seeing your article come together. Gobōnobō + c 18:23, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both for your feedback. Gobonobo I am aware of the policy on original research and apologize if my poorly constructed remarks were cause for concern. I feel confident that this new approach will be in compliance of all Wikipedia guidelines. With that said, I think the most effective route would be a contribution to Youth Subculture that focuses on the role music plays in subculture. There is plenty of information available on the topic, the Youth Subculture article could use some development and diversification anyway, and this way I could feel confident improving an existing article instead of trailblazing something like Youth and musical identity and leaving it only partially developed. I think this is my finalized course of action. Please let me know if you have any additional ideas or critiques. Your input has been invaluable!

Feedback on 3.29 revision[edit]

KLi32, Hello! I enjoyed looking at your update. You have found the "big names" in youth subculture studies. All have insights that belong in WP articles if they are not already. I also agree that an revising the article to remove UK bias is a valid task. As you work on the youth subculture page, could you share with me how your sources help to move outside the UK perspective?

I also recommend looking for academic sources on tribus urbanas, for example subcultura. The topic does perhaps fall in category of recentism- it is hot right now - but it might also be productive. Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 17:56, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Prof. Vandegrift. I intend to edit the youth subculture page and have claimed it on our coursepage. I hope that is now clearer. I will work on sharing my plan to move outside of the UK perspective.KLi 32 (talk) 22:26, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Help us improve the Wikipedia Education Program[edit]

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Editing Glitches[edit]

Hi KLi32. Have you talked to user:DrakeLibrarian to see if she could help you with the sandbox and reference issues? Maybe a quick email to her - or a post on user talk:Gobonobo's page would get you help from someone who knows better than I do! Prof.Vandegrift (talk) 03:28, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Wrote on user talk:Gobonobo's talk page today today! KLi 32 (talk) 16:53, 17 April 2013 (UTC)
User:Prof.Vandegrift, User:Gobonobo was a great help and I established my second sandbox today. My assignment from last week is now there. The references seemed to like being in a Sandbox much more than my Talk Page and with some editing I was able to correct those reference glitches. Thanks and see you soon! KLi 32 (talk) 21:19, 17 April 2013 (UTC)