User talk:Kenalynn

Welcome[edit]

Welcome!

Hello, Kenalynn, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ~~~~; this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question and then place {{helpme}} before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! Inge 08:10, 4 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I'm just now realizing I should have answered this sooner! Sorry! I'm still learning wiki etiquette.Kenalynn 21:29, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re-using references[edit]

Hello. Did you know that you can re-use a reference so that you don't need to type the whole thing in again? You can do this by adding a name="some name" parameter to the reference. Works like this:

First time you have the reference, enter it almost as normal: <ref name="some reference">Text of reference here</ref>.
When you want to re-use it, just put: <ref name="some reference"/>

If this isn't clear, you can see them used in Egbert of Wessex. Hope this helps! Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:56, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I didn't know about that and I figured too much info is better than too little! I'm still a little confused though. Egbert of Wessex has so much going on, I'm having a hard time splitting it apart. It's been a day and the eyes are tired! I tried get it a bit on Eadgifu of England, but haven't quite got it. Don't suppose you could just tweek Eadgifu of England for me to see as the page is short...Kenalynn 00:09, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. I have done that, I hope it makes sense. Angus McLellan (Talk) 09:51, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

THANKS! Kenalynn 15:48, 29 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CORRECTING FACT THAT SPANS SEVERAL ARTICLES -- HELP NEEDED[edit]

{{helpme}} I'm reseraching Ida of Lorraine and have come across several references to her husband's date of death that contradict the information posted at Eustace II of Boulogne. The current article says 1093. That information spans the articles relating the family (his son Eustace III of Boulogne and the Count of Boulogne, for example.) I posted a message on Eustace II of Boulogne talk page and found someone that confirmed alternate dates of death than the current Wiki article.

I do not feel brave enough to tackle something that is going to change so many different pieces. Could you help me with this as it appears to fall under the WikiProject Biography/Royalty?

Here are some of the references I've found that state the date of death as 1070 AD:

Married Saints and Blesseds. Ignatius Press. c. 2002. pp. p. 147. ISBN 0898708435. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Love and Marriage in the Middle Ages. University of Chicago Press: Ignatius Press. c. 1996. pp. p. 40. ISBN 0226167747. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)

P.S. Yes, I've just about got the info together to make an article on Ida. I'd also appreciate help getting the template for her set, so I can key in the info. In addition to being nobility, she was also Beatified, so the article will need to be linked to the Saints Portal as well. Kenalynn 16:39, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. As far as correcting the date to the existing article, I recommend being bold and making the changes, including your above referenced citations. If any one has an objection, then you can take it to the talk page.

In terms of starting the new article, I am not sure what template you are looking for. Can you elaborate?

I'm still a little stumped on how to set the page so it links into the appropriate "projects". I thought there was a template for that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kenalynn (talk • contribs) 17:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC) Kenalynn 17:51, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried to fix it. Now there is a blue shaded box around the related footnote and I can't get it to go away. HELP??Kenalynn 21:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers, Into The Fray ^T/C 16:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Kenalynn; Regarding the difference in dates, the best thing to do is to start a topic on the talk page of the article for Ida's husband and to make note of that talk page at WikiProject Biography/Royalty. I do not know if that page gets as much traffic as it used to, so I would try to contact a few of the members and just tell them there is a discussion going on at an article talk page. My personal expertise does not date back that far with regards to mediaeval and earlier royalty and I do not have access to proper sources. The least I can suggest is to search Google Books and Google Scholar with the names and the dates and see what kind of results show up. I hope this helps. Charles 21:46, 4 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ida of Lorraine[edit]

Hi. When reading it, I saw that the references were in a section called something other than references. I thought this seemed a little silly ;) I have changed it again, I hope you are happy with it. Feel free to leave me another message and I would be happy to help ;) Tiddly-Tom 17:54, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry. Thought I used the right titles. THANKS for fixing it. And thanks too for the offer of help in the future. I'll keep it in mind. :)Kenalynn 17:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am not 100% sure you got it wrong! I would not be overly surprised if I got it wrong! It's nothing to worry about though. You only get 'You have new messages' banner if someone has placed one on your talk page. If you watch a page, changes will appear in your watch list (click the link in the top right of the page). Tiddly-Tom 18:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

disambiguation help needed[edit]

{{helpme}} I've finished an article on Ida of Lorraine. I got the redirect going for Blessed Ida of Boulogne, but then I discovered that there is another Ida, Countess of Boulogne that redirects from Ida of Boulogne. I'm guessing I need a disambiguation page somehow, but am getting completely lost on how to do with two redirects to it. Could someone do it, so I can see an example for next time?Kenalynn 20:18, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect Ida of Boulogne to Ida of Boulogne (disambiguation) and list the pages for the two Idas. For instance, look at this page: Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate (disambiguation). Anyone looking for Elizabeth Charlotte of the Palatinate is redirected to that page and given the links to the two Elizabeth Charlottes. Charles 20:28, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguation is complete, although you should check the incoming links and link article directly to the proper Ida where necessary. Charles 20:37, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I think I already caught the direct links. That was the easy part.Kenalynn 21:52, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No need to thank me! Disambiguation is fairly easy as it generally follows the same format each and every time. Also take a look at WP:D for more information. Charles 21:55, 6 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Murrey Cup[edit]

I noticed that many of your interests correspond to something I tripped over yesterday and thought I'd take a chance that you knew the missing piece. Do you know what a Murrey Cup is? (No, not the soccer world cup.) The Murrey Cup references come from two 14th Century English Wills.

The first one is from the will of Sir Edmund de Thorpe (d. 1393). He left a "murrey cup, tipped with silver, which is the charter cup of Thorp" to his heir. See An Essay Towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk. 1806. pp. p. 148. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) available at: "An Essay Towards a Topographical History of the County of Norfolk". {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) There are also some other references to this exact incident, but they also quote from the will word for word, so don't help in the matter.

The other reference deals with Sir William de Staunton and his will dated 1312. He leaves a murrey cup with a foot to his son and heir and another to his son's wife. See History of Nottinghamshire. 1797. pp. p. 308. {{cite book}}: |pages= has extra text (help); Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help) Available at: "History of Nottinghamshire". {{cite web}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |coauthors= (help)

Now, if I'd only had the one reference I'd have been willing to dismiss it as merely discussing the cup's color. But with 3 cups involved, I'm wondering if it means something else. I've searched the web as best I know how and have not come up with additional references. Do you happen to know anything about it?Kenalynn 22:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If i had to guess, I'd guess the murrey refers to either the material that the cup was made from, or what drink it was designed to hold, like a sack wine. Only thing that came close in my books (and I searched the indexes of any that would have any chance of saying what it might be) is a a mention in Georgius Agricola De Re Metallica, (in this case the Dover reprint edition ISBN 0-486-60006-8) on page 114, where a chart lists what I believe is the Latin term for chalcedony as "murrhina". I could be off on that term being Latin though, the chart is not labeled as to what is in each column. Given the vagaries of Middle English, it's possible Murrey is a corruption of Murrhina. But it's just a guess. Hope it helps! Ealdgyth | Talk 23:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Sounds possible anyway. Will do some searching that way.Kenalynn 00:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Your edits to Talk:William de Forz, 3rd Earl of Albemarle.[edit]

Please do not use the {{helpme}} template on that page; it is designed to be used by you when you need help. Thank you. And as for your question, yes, and you can upload it yourself by creating a commons account (it's just the same as creating a Wikipedia account), and you have access to upload it under public domain 1923 option. Note: If you are sure that image was published before 1923 or published between 1923 and 1977 without a copyright notice, then it is in the public domain. Please read Public Domain for more information. Thank you. -Go od sh op ed 19:36, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Just a clarification. You agree that I have identified the right person for the illustration, right? I'm still not comfortable with the Wiki Commons stuff, though...Kenalynn (talk) 22:05, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]