User talk:LNJois

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Speedy deletion nomination of Eduland Kindergarten

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A tag has been placed on Eduland Kindergarten requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about an organization or company, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable.

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Your article

is now at User:LNJois/Eduland Kindergarten draft. Don't forget to look at WP:NPOV, WP:RS, WP:GNG and possibly WP:COI as well. That lot covers general notability, reliable sources, neutral point of view, and conflict of interest. To be quite honest, I think you're going to find it hard to show notability for a Kindergarten that's only two years old, so concentrate on that first. If you can't manage it in a couple of weeks, you won't get there at all. Ask for advice before moving it back to mainspace. I may not be around, so ask any regular editor or admin. Peridon (talk) 12:59, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Write-up on Eduland Kindergarten

Hi Peridon: I've completed the write-up on Eduland Kindergarten. With limited knowledge, I've done my best but, 'am not sure if its good enough. I just hope it doesn't get deleted again as I believe its a fair write up on that institution which is doing some good work.

I would also like to know how I can incorporate the sidebar(?) which will contain the logo along with short information about the type of the company, founders, revenue, etc.

Thanks. LNJ LNJois (talk) 14:23, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The side thing is an infobox. I fixed one once and don't really know how... I'd suggest asking another admin for advice, both on the article and then the infobox. 'Doing good work' is not, unfortunately, a criterion for having an article. Peridon (talk) 15:10, 28 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Write-up on Eduland Kindergarten is now complete!

Hi Peridon: My write up is almost complete (except for infobar). Please let me know if its good to go live. If everything's okay, how do I post it from the draft?

Still trying to find my way around. Thanks for all the help :) Cheers. LNJ. LNJois (talk) 08:35, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (File:Eduland_Kindergarten_logo.jpg)

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Eduland Kindergarten logo

Hi Melesse: I really didn't understand much from your earlier message about the logo. This is the first write up on Eduland Kindergarten on Wikipedia so 'am not sure how I can use a "used" logo that already exist in Wikipedia. Can you please elaborate on the issue?

Thanks. LNJ.

LNJois (talk) 09:00, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I think the problem is that the logo may count as 'fair use' when used in an article, but 'fair use' doesn't apply in user space. It's not essential to the creation of the article - it's the notability and referencing that are the things to concentrate on. Peridon (talk) 10:21, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Peridon: I still did not get what the exact issue is. Is it the logo the showstopper or the article? Does the write-up comply with Wikipedia's rules? If not, what else do I need to do? Please suggest.

Thanks. LNJ. LNJois (talk) 11:01, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

An image like a logo that is the copyright property of someone or an organisation can often be used in an article if it is something like a logo. This is called 'fair use' - see WP:COPYVIO for more. User space (where the article is at the moment) cannot have 'fair use' images in it. Only free use images can be used here in user space. Don't worry about the image for now. I'm not happy about the referencing yet. The two from the Deccan Herald are a step in the right direction, but I think something more in depth might be a goods idea. Ask another editor - try someone like User:MelanieN or User:Boing! said Zebedee for their opinion. Don't just take my word for it. Peridon (talk) 11:58, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that Peridon. I guess the logo issue is sorted out for the time being. 'Am afraid I do not have any more references to provide for the write-up. But I will, as and when I find one.

What's worrying me as an article contributor is this write-up (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eduland_Kindergarten) has started to show up on search queries and when you click on the link, it goes to wikipedia site which displays: this page has been deleted!.

Is this a permanent message or is there something we can do so that something meaningful about Eduland Kindergarten shows up. If it remains that way, it would be nuisance to all those who click just to see "page is deleted" and it would be an embarrassement to Eduland folks.

I've seen one liners for many educational institutions on Wiki without any references. I think in all fairness, the write-up on Eduland Kindergarten is an authentic one and deserves to be on Wiki. I just hope this would not embarrass anyone!

Regards.

LNJois (talk) 14:07, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to help

Hello, LNJois, and thanks for your note on my talk page. I'll take a look at your article when I have time, possibly tomorrow.

I see that it has been "speedy deleted" once already. I took a quick look at it just now. I'm afraid it might be deleted again, no matter what we do to rewrite it. The problem is that Wikipedia has rules about "notability," which require that there must be coverage (reporting) in independent, reliable sources about the subject. Since this school is only two years old, I doubt there has been much coverage. Also, it is unusual for Wikipedia to keep any article about a kindergarten or a primary school. See WP:SCHOOL to see the general rule about such schools.

That's just a quick reaction, I don't have time right now to look at your article in detail. I will do that soon and let you know if I can help you to preserve it. --MelanieN (talk) 15:40, 29 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi MelanieN: Thank you for offering help and I eagerly look forward to hearing from you.

By the way, Eduland Kindergarten has related business units like Eduland School which is K12 school and there are many K12 schools listed on Wiki. It also has Eduland Care for Young Children which is very much like Kindercare (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KinderCare_Learning_Centers). The websites - www.edulandschool.org and www.edulandmontessori.com exists but only Eduland Kindergarten's website is live.

Within two years, it has gained a "fair" amount of notability and I hope this information helps you in analyzing this case and giving it the appropriate treatment it deserves.

I rest my case.

Thanks. LNJ.

LNJois (talk) 03:34, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, now you're talking! You could write an article about Eduland School. As a K-12 school, that article would almost certainly be "kept". Usually the only requirement for a K-12 school is that we can verify that it exists, although outside sourcing helps a lot. Then you could put some of this information about Eduland Kindergarten and Eduland Care for Young Children into that article as a subsection. That should work, as long as most of the article is about the K-12 school. I was going to suggest that you look for another article that some of this information could go into, since it may not meet the criteria for a stand-alone article of its own. An Eduland School article could be the place. The schools could also get a mention (but only a bare mention) in the article Banashankari, Bangalore.

Oops, here's a problem: there may be more than one Eduland School. Just now when I searched for coverage at Google News Archive, the only article I found was about an Eduland School in Lagos, Nigeria. Is that the school you were referrring to, or is that school part of the same company? I could find nothing at all about an Eduland School in Bangalore. --MelanieN (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Melanie: No, Eduland School(.org) is based in Bangalore, India and is not related to the one in Nigeria. So what's the way forward? Is there any possibility of preservering the article?

Thanks. LNJ LNJois (talk) 03:47, 2 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To tell you the truth, I don't think this article about the kindergarten will ever qualify for inclusion on Wikipedia. Wikipedia generally accepts articles about secondary schools, but hardly ever about schools that serve younger children. Such articles are accepted only if the kindergarten or school has received an UNUSUAL amount of press coverage.

That's why I was looking for another article that some of this information could be put into. At first I thought the K-12 school could serve that purpose, but I can find literally nothing on Google about an Eduland K-12 school in Bangalore, so I would have to regard it as "unverified". (Even if the website is not active, there ought to be something - directory listings or something - to show that the school exists. But I could find nothing.)

It's possible that some other versions of Wikipedia are not as restrictive as the English-language version. Might you want to try for an article in Wikipedia-Hindi?

I'm sorry, I can tell that you feel passionately about trying to get publicity and recognition for this kindergarten, but I just don't think Wikipedia is going to be the place for it. --MelanieN (talk) 14:39, 5 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]