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sorry posted in wrong place hope I deleted this right

Ruskin College[edit]

Thanks for your note -- not sure why I did that. Something went astray in my cleanup of other refs??? Thanks for alerting me - problem now fixed. --mervyn (talk) 15:30, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

H B Kendall[edit]

Adding "-e" to change Bickerstaff to Bickerstaffe based on the assumption of a "usual" spelling. Have you checked your information? There is no -e on the end in the listing in Leary, from which I took my original information. Bickerstaff is NOT listed in Leary, so was not a Primitive Methodist Minister.

I have only just seen that there are some changes to my original.

I don't want to sound grumpy, and I thank you for additional information. Some time, the paragraph about Bickerstaff being buried in Boscombe cemetary will need tidying because it reads ambiguously.

Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:36, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I meant "Holliday died March 1919 and is buried at Boscombe ..." It should be H B Kendall died 1919. Rev. THomas Holliday died 23 March 1858. Robert of Ramsor (talk) 02:45, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

I have just looked at your family tree information. Presumably, you had Bickerstaffe ending -e from family documents. It is possible that there is a mistake in Leary, or that the Methodist documents he used had Bickerstaff without final -e. If there is a difference, could you change the article by means of a footnote, please, pointing out the different spellings in different sources.

And an extra section to the article, describing the Kendall family tree, would be a valuable addition. A family tree drawing would lift the article as a whole in terems of general interest as well. It is probably better to do it that way, rather than expanding the existing section. My original information was based on the Methodist books I have to hand, including the 3 different Histories. HBK wrote about himself in the larger History. If you have a better photo, that would also be a valuable addition. Robert of Ramsor (talk) 03:03, 19 October 2008 (UTC)


Having been to sleep since my last note, some more considered thoughts. Seeing that you have far better information about the Kendall family than I could easily get, I think the best option is something like this, if you agree.

-That you post as one of the pictures in the article a BMD Certificate, or similar (tombstone photo, etc) as documentation of the Bickerstaffe spelling.

-That we add a footnote to the effect that, regarding the spelling of Bickerstaffe, the version in Leary may be a misprint, or wrongly copied, or that the reference from which Leary copied it was wrong. (Leary would probably have used only the available Methodist documents, especially as in Minutes of COnference or Primitive Methodist Magazine. He would have turned to other records only in the event of no information in the Methodist sources. H B Kendall was known as "H B Kendall" in all the sources I have, including the books he wrote!)

-That we add, for you to expand, a new section on the Kendall family. This would be of wider interest, and allow you to post as much of your family tree information as you wish, subject to it being in the encyclopedia interests and structure. Wikipedia allows for links to an article but using other heads, such as he was named after Rev THomas Holliday and his mother's maiden name, Biskerstaffe. So you could put quite a lot into a Kendall family section in this article, and link it from anywhere else.

I think that Methodist historians would be interested in the wider Kendall family. I could add the information from Leary on Thomas Holliday if it helps. Leary is the starting point for research on any Primitive Methodist Minister in terms of the summary of which Circuits he served. But it is only a summary, and far from a biography.

Best wishes Robert of Ramsor (talk) 19:48, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply[edit]

I have just found time to look at Wiki again, and found your reply awaiting me. (Correctly posted, and very useful.) ("Bickerstaffe not listed in Kendal" - my fault for not being clear - hurried first reading of what you had said, I thought that you had given Bickerstaffe as well as Holliday as being P M Ministers.)

Drawings and Photos These go into another Wiki project called "Wikipedia Commons". (Bookmarked on my other computer, I will try to remember to post the link here.) This is a vast "filing cabinet" for anything which may be useful in more than one article. So (for example) I recently found a very nice photo of Three Shire Head to include in the article I created. There is a procedure for uploading material, which I knew 6 months ago but will have to re-learn. Take a look at my Talk page, and see some of the things others have posted there about how to do Wiki work. One of the important things about uploading photos is that you categorise them so that they end up in the right "drawer" of the filing cabinet, and others can locate them. I suggest that you click on the photos I have already uploaded for H B Kendall, and find out what category I put them in. It is something like "Methodism, People". The procedure is otherwise a bit like file attachments on G-Mail, where you browse through your won computer until you locate the attachment you want to send. That is, browse through to the picture you want to upload to Wiki. Then you must also include a suitable picture title, description, and copyright assignment.

I look forward to your writing a substantial amount more on H B Kendall. Please note that I named the article by taking his name as I found it in his own 3 history books, and with no other source of information to say anything different except Leary giving a full version of his name. I think it would be good if you can add what you wrote on my Talk Page about the spellings, or I can do that but limited to the information in your message. Please fill in a lot more biography as well. And a general description of his Will would be useful. Descendents can be an interesting part of the family tree, but there is a convention that you do not list living relatives unless they give permission. (I once had someone tell me about my family, but without my father's brothers, having taken that information off my own web site where I had deliberately limited what I posted about my father's brothers.)

My original article was to fill the gap in Methodist history. I found it appalling that people had tried to write the history of the Primitive Methodists without any reference at all to the monumental contribution of H B Kendall!!! So the original reflects that limited interest and amount of knowledge. Please honour your ancestor by writing a full account of his life.

Best wishes, and thanks, Robert of Ramsor (talk) 13:40, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Jack Bowers[edit]

Thanks for the note. The date of death is as given in the book (Graham Betts - "England: Player by player") that is quoted in the reference section at the foot of the article, and is supported by the table on

As for the photos, I don't think cigarette cards are acceptable - the copyright generally lasts for 75 years after the death of the "author". If the photo your cousin has is a family photo, this would be OK. Uploading is not as hard as it seems - you need to have an electronic copy of the photo. To upload, click on "upload file" in the toolbox at the left of the screen and follow the instructions. Selecting the copyright is the hardest thing in my experience. If it's a family photo, you should probably choose one of the first two items under the heading "What kind of image is it?" and then in the licencing box, select "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0" as the most appropriate licence. I hope this helps. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:11, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note - no problems. I've moved the content into a new section headed "Family" which is more appropriate. Cheers. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Liz Smith[edit]

Congratulations on solving the riddle of the birth register entries for Betty Smith. It's information like this (with references) that makes the Wikipedia.--BSTemple (talk) 06:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

H B K (again)[edit]

I have just looked at the H B Kendall article, and find that there have been quite a few edits which I think are unhelpful. Adn it may well be the recent edits which have lead to a couple of notices about the article needing "clean-up" and "citations / references".

Since you, bringing your family history information, have the main expertise on this article, and I from the viewpoint of a student of Primitive Methodism bring that area of expertise, I suggest we look at the article some time and do a joint effort on sorting it out. I am minded, with some guidance from yourself, to restore some of the original headings, since I originally structured the article to make sense of HBK's most enduring contribution to the study of Primitive Methodism, which was his immense achievement as a historian. -- Robert of Ramsor (talk) 01:14, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

As you have better knowledge on how Wikipedia works I would be more than happy to help. I can give you online access to the book I have written on the KENDALL family including a chapter on HBK I can also send you a better photograph of HBK to upload to Wiki. If you contact me on my email which can be found on my family tree site. I can send you the information required.MBorrill (talk) 09:01, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Dennis Hird[edit]

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Dennis HIRD is a distant cousin, not a direct line, who died before I was born. The information I have on him came from researching various books and records and compiling a family tree, which is fully sourced. I have produced my book royalty free and it is freely available online as an ebook on yudu "Kendall family of Ashby Lincolnshire" So I do not make any financial gain from the book.

I have not demonstrated any bias towards Dennis HIRD, nor several others on Wiki for whom I have supplied "family knowledge" as a family historian I am fully conversant with referencing material to prove facts. MBorrill (talk) 18:20, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[edit]

Hi. Having previously been involved in a discussion about on RSN, could you join a discussion here to offer your opinion? A user is saying that some of the material on that site is not from users, but paid employees, and WP:BLPPRIMARY is also an issue. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 09:34, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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