User talk:Morningbastet/Archive 1

Conflict of Interest

Hello. I noticed in this diff you say you "have personally interviewed the artist". Does this mean Siner is a friend of yours? We have specific guidelines on conflict of interest; are you familiar with WP:COI? Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 02:36, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hello Possibly. I was not a friend of Maggie Siner when I interviewed her and drafted the article. I had met her on a vaporetto leaving the Venice film festival, completely by chance, in september 2015, and as a member of the french Wiki Project Les Sans Pages, which was born precisely last year, and focuses on women visibility in Wikipedia, I decided to write an article on her, because she was clearly a famous female artist that deserved mention. I collected some information and sources on her by myself, and I went to Venice again a couple of times to interview her, since I thought this was very important to have accurate information and obtain additional sources. In the years after the interviews we got to know each other and as it is natural to happen, we befriended each other. Her english wikipedia page has received thousands of visits and I believe she meets many criteria of notability. She is really a uniquely notable artist and I oppose the idea of deletion.Galileosdaughter (talk) 02:59, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi. That was a question for Morningbastet; did you lose your password and start the new account Galileosdaughter? Since you have edited the article as recently as late August, and you are, as you say, a friend of the subject, you need to declare this per the COI guideline, and to use the talk page to make edit requests, rather than editing her article directly. Do you have other similar close relationships with the people you have written about? some of the articles you have created seem to have a similar tone of familiarity. --- Possibly ☎ 04:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi, yes there was a mixup of accounts and logins, and I will follow your indication re: COI and future edits, and added COI info on talk page. No, I am not friend of other people I wrote about (past and present). Re : importance of interviews, I came to realize that precision and reliability of Wiki articles re:info that is difficult/impossible to source without breaching personal privacy laws (birthdate, education, and other) requires direct interview either of the person (if alive and available) or of relatives/friends of the person. I am concerned about reliability of Wiki articles (history rewritten, or even worse, hidden) and I am very strict about proof and objectivity and sources. I also realize that some sources, even articles by historians with good reputation, are referring to secondary sources that go back to unsubstantiated articles based on primary sources, making it hard to re-establish objective and factual "truth".Morningbastet (talk) 05:04, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

thanks. Making interviews and then writing articles based on the interviews violates a core policy of Wikipedia: No original research. You should not be doing that for a number of reasons. --- Possibly ☎ 05:28, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi possibly, I am sorry I was not aware of this from now on I will only use sources and conduct no interviewMorningbastet (talk) 05:45, 18 September 2021 (UTC) Hello Possibly, to be more precise: I have always used and am always using reliable independent secondary and tertiary sources and reference them in order to document all the articles I have written and I am editing, about Maggie Siner and anybody else. I read all the secondary and tertiary sources I can find, and then I write the article and cite the sources. As I said, I was not at all friend of Maggie Siner when I wrote the article, so there was no COI. Other contributors have made edits, and the last minor edits are not of great importance. Several independent people have written substantive texts about Maggie Siner, and they are cited. I will request edits for further improvement of the article, if you find there are not sufficient sources. It would be useful to understand which one of the sources you do not estimate are sufficiently deep. Thanks for your help to improve the articleMorningbastet (talk) 07:33, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi there I am Nattes à chat founder of les sans pagEs and Morningbastet was a student at our first workshops at the university of Geneva. I can attest that she does not do paid contributions, even if her bold nature makes her very creative with rules  :). She does edit when her professional responsibilities allow her to, in serveral languages and therefore I think we need to suppose WP:FAITH here. She became friend with the artist after writing the article (these things happen for example one asks a photo to an artist and then is in contact with the person...). She did mention that she had problems in connecting because she had lost her pass word, and we did tell her that she needered ed to create another account if she had not registered her email. That may be the cause of this imbroglio.

She is a honnest person and does not have any hidden agenda or activity. She is just bold and creative with rules. I have told her to indicate on both her user page that she has a suck puppetaccount and the reason why. @Rosiestep: could you please look into this ? Warm regards. Nattes à chat (talk) 09:23, 20 September 2021 (UTC)