User talk:MusaVeneziana/Archives/2016

Hidden gallery of 'Florentine art' ツ

Dear MusaVeneziana,
Today, in addition to re-spacing the quotations at the top of your user page, as you requested (see my update at your section "Signing" at my talk page), I took the liberty of adding the basic structure of a hidden 'gallery' of Florentine art, as an example of what's available to you. I did so because I thought that, at some stage, you might wish to decorate your page with your favourite artworks, in which case all you'd have to do is add more entries in the 'gallery' template. The reason I designed it as a hidden feature, is to keep your user page as uncluttered as possible, since that seemed to be your preference. The other nice thing about it, is that the banner acts as a plinth for what's above it. And, of course, its colours are 'Sienna' and 'gold'.
However, it is entirely up to you if you wish to keep this (and build it up) or not.
There is just one thing that intrigued me about your user page: for some reason, the font seems to be set, by default, to a smaller size than standard, which I have never seen before.
For example, the level 2 header I added just above the hidden gallery (by inserting == Gallery ==), ends up much smaller than the equivalent level 2 headers at my user page. I was wondering if this might have something to do with the way your own user page was set up initially, but this is beyond the limits of my own knowledge. It also seems to manifest itself in the size of the 'title=' clause I set to "Florentine art" in the header of the {{Hidden}} template: as you can see, the text is smaller than it should be (even in bold font) and seems to occupy only the top half of the bar, which is also something I had never seen before now.
You have two options: if you intend never to add any more text to your user page, then it's obviously not going to matter. On the other hand, it might be an annoyance to you if you ever want to use your page for textual content in future. If you want to elucidate this mystery, then I would suggest that you create a new section here, in your talk page, and add the {{Helpme}} template and a bit of text pointing to the present section, so that one of the editors currently monitoring the Help desk can take a look at it, and perhaps shed some light on this. Thank you, and I hope someone will come along in the near future.
Finally, if/when you wish to reply to the present post, then you can do it from here, by showing off your newly acquired skill of using the Dear {{U|Pdebee|Patrick}} template, and also add a colon in front of each of your new paragraphs, to achieve the indentation explained at WP:THREAD. I look forward, as ever, to hearing from you, whenever convenient.
With kind regards for now;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 16:07, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear Patrick, I had thought myself that I'd like to have a gallery of images. But, I want to create it when I have the time to research images, locate what I want to include, and find enough of them to display to merit calling it a Gallery. I tried uploading a fresco that I like very much, L'Ultima Cena di Andrea Del Castagno - Wikimedia Commons File: Andrea del Castagno 001.jpg but was not successful. Anyway, I'd rather attend to the gallery in the future. I have been very busy and when things let up, I want to expend the little time I have on editing articles.

The profile page is more than fine although I haven't checked it on a large monitor yet. You see now my preferences ~ the smaller font, the top of the text of the Alberti quote below the horizon of the image (nice that it is all on the same line now - thanks to you, Patrick!), and a larger space between the quotes and the biography (a one paragraph biography.)

I must admit that I agree with you about the left alignment, after all, on the quote sources. I copied and saved the code you designed for the gallery ~ Bravo! Great work! I thought your color choices excellent too, by the way. Life is in a rather torrential flow state now; when it ebbs a bit I will do more editing on Wikipedia. Thank you for all your kind assistance! MusaVeneziana^(talk) 05:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear MusaVeneziana,

Thank you for taking the time to respond, given your time constraints.

I like both versions of your user page: the previous one with the large font, and the new one too. I am glad you're getting the hang of editing it; all very best wishes for this to continue.

As for the Gallery, it is entirely your prerogative: you could have chosen to build it up gradually, or do as you've decided: put it on the back-burner until time allows. I was pleased to have made a start for you, although that font size issue is rather perplexing. In any case, you now know what to do if you want someone else to help you fix it, which is a step in the right direction.

That's it! Please keep well and joyful, and don't work too hard.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 23:10, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

A present for your future gallery! ツ

Portrait of Giovanna Tornabuoni (1488). Thyssen-Bornemisza Museum, Madrid; formerly in the Morgan Library

I just came across this, today, and thought it a good candidate for inclusion in your future gallery.
Have a pleasant Sunday!
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 10:08, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Patrick! She is very beautiful. Here she is by the artist in a fresco in the Florentine church, Santa Maria Novella. Scroll down the article to the section "The Life of Saint John the Baptist."
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/renaissance-reformation/early-renaissance1/painting-in-florence/a/ghirlandaio-birth-of-the-virgin MusaVeneziana^(talk) 20:10, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

How to Archive Talk Pages

I have created an Archive for my Talk pages and I have a few questions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MusaVeneziana/Archives/August/2016
1. Can the title of the Archived Talk page be changed? I inadvertently put the month before the year - or can it stay that way? Maybe it's just an American vs British or European style issue - if so, it can stay the way it is.
2. Do I put a link on my new Talk page (the one I'm writing on!) to my Archive?
I would like to create Archive pages as needed and have one link that goes to all of them.
Lastly, where do I find the clipboard on the Talk pages? Thank you! MusaVeneziana^(talk) 16:39, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear MusaVeneziana,

I saw your request, so I took the liberty of intervening, and you're now all set for archiving to your heart's content!

If you look at the 'View history' crumb trails for this talk page, you'll be able to see my edits, which created the required linkage between:

1. the name you gave your archive talk page, and

2. the archiving templates I added near the top of this talk page.

As you can see, there is now a new, thin box (right under the other ochre-colored boxes at the top of this talk page), with the word Archives in the middle, and a [show] tab on its right hand side; if you click on the latter, the collapsible table will open and you'll see 2016 on the left hand side. If you click on that, you'll be taken into the 'August 2016' page you set up as your archive; QED!

It really doesn't matter what you called your archive page: the fact that it has "August" in it doesn't prevent you for keeping that page as an archive for the rest of the year; you know what it means and no one else will care. Personally, I like to have an archive for every calendar year, simply because it is an easy structure to remember, and also because each archive remains of a manageable size, instead of having a single, enormous one that holds everything that was in your talk page from day one. So, in the early months of 2017, you could create a new page called:

User talk:MusaVeneziana/Archives/2017

and then simply insert a new line above, under:

*[[/Archives/August/2016|2016]],

with the following code:

*[[/Archives/2017|2017]],

and then you'd gradually archive your talk page contents for 2017 into that new archive by hand, when it suits you, like you've already done for 'August 2016'.

I hope this helped; please let me know if you require any further assistance, and I'll do my best.

Until then, please keep well and joyful.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 19:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear Patrick Pdebee, You are most kind, Sir, and this set up suits me very well. If I may trouble you with a few questions?
Where is the Clipboard?
Regarding this lovely Archive, I like your idea of archiving by year - is there a way to remove the August from the 2016 title page (maybe it's an "Administrators only" edit?)
Also, will the 2016 and 2017 be folders, so to speak, visible independently and each accessible within the Archive "folder"? By the way, I hit the "Thank" button next to your name in View History, but then "Thank Publicly?" came up and I clicked on "No." Did you end up getting a "private" Thank you? Thanks!!! Probably silly of me, but I suppose you could say I am trying to fly below everyone's radar! MusaVeneziana^(talk) 21:37, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Dear MusaVeneziana,

You're most welcome; always a pleasure to assist.

I have now 'renamed' the page, via an operation Wikipedia calls a page move. It was easier just to do it rather than explain it, but if you wish to learn to do it yourself in future, you can simply click on the link I have included (to 'page move' in the line above) and it will all be explained there. I also updated your 'archive' template (here at your talk page) to reflect the new name, and it's all working fine.

I am not sure I understand what you mean by the 'Clipboard'. If you edit a page, you can 'transfer' any text from there in your computer's own clipboard, as usual (for example, with the usual 'Ctrl+c' short cut for 'copy', or 'Ctrl+x' for 'cut'.) To my knowledge, Wikipedia does not provide a clipboard of its own, in addition to the one available from your basic computer's operating system. Please may I suggest that you explain to me what you wish to achieve, and then we'll take it from there, OK?

With kind regards for now;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 22:14, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to address your other questions:

• About archives being 'folders': not really; each archive ('2016', '2017') is simply another page, just like the present 'talk' page. In fact, they are identical objects, except for their names. So, when you 'cut & paste' unwanted sections from your present talk page and copy them manually onto the '2016' archive page, you basically end up creating a copy of what your talk page would have looked like if you hadn't archived its content. The point of the archive is simply to remove closed discussions from your 'talk' page, which would then contain only sections you wish to keep here, probably because the discussion is not finished, or because you have decided that it may be resumed at some stage in the future; so, you keep these sections here, at your 'talk' page, instead of archiving them. You could conceivably think of your collection of 'archive' pages ('2016', '2017', etc.) as a logical 'folder' but, to my knowledge, there is nothing in Wikipedia that processes them as such. I hope this made things a little clearer instead of more opaque...
• About the 'Thank you' button: everyone has a Thanks Log by default (here's a link to mine) but I am not sure how visible it is to other Wikipedians unless one chooses to externalize it. My thank log is reachable from one of my userboxes because I coded a link to it. I have never thought of looking into someone else's thank log, but that doesn't mean it can't be done; I simply don't know. I think you can assume it's fairly safe to thank other Wikipedians; I do it very often, when other editors have applied a helpful edit, or removed some vandalism, etc.

And no, I didn't receive a thank you notification, but I appreciate your intent.

Hope this helped a bit more.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 22:48, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Using a personal sandbox

Dear MusaVeneziana,
I hope you are keeping well? Last week, I suggested (in this section, at 12:37 pm, on 27 August 2016) that you could consider drafting new content for the Henry Hopkins article in a personal sandbox, and that you could create it with the following name:

[[User:MusaVeneziana/My sandbox1]].

As an example, you can view my own list of sandboxes here, and go into them to see how I tend to organize myself, when in development mode. Of course, you don't need to do it this way; it's just an example of what can be done.
Once you have created your own sandbox, you could invite any editor(s) to join you in the task of developing the new material; for example, one or more editors who have worked on similar articles, and who might therefore share your interest in Henry H.
Otherwise, if you chose to work on your own, then generally other editors will not apply any edits to that sandbox page, because it has the prefix of your username and will therefore be considered your personal domain (see the network of pages about this aspect of editorial etiquette).
Of course, such a sandbox page would still be visible and accessible to anyone who decided to look into your list of pages but, generally, editors will follow the recommended etiquette and refrain from editing in personal sandboxes.
I hope this was helpful; good luck, and let me know if you need any further assistance.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 00:53, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear Patrick Pdebee, I will most definitely create the article in a sandbox. I will not write "everything" about Henry, but set out a good basic outline of who he is and why he is notable - with footnotes and hopefully get the article to go through the creative article approval and up live in a couple of weeks - I will invite Calliopejen to contribute (perhaps she could put in a section about the Huysman Gallery that she already wrote about) - while it is in draft form and just mention the Huysman Gallery myself in the article before I contact her. I will have most of the essentials in about Henry at that point. By the way I see a C grade on the Charles Sherman article; how can I avoid that sort of designation with the HH article (I will carefully footnote)? Is there anything more I can do to assist to upgrade the Charles Sherman article? It appears to be fairly well written and documented. Maybe the grade is unimportant to other than the Wikipedia editors and best to leave it alone. What do you think? Many thanks for your most kind and helpful assistance! ♪┏(・o･)┛♪ MusaVeneziana^(talk) 16:25, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Dear MusaVeneziana,

Thank you for your query about the classification of Wikipedia articles, such as "C-class" for the article on Charles Sherman that you quoted above. I apologize for delay in responding to it. Well, as you can imagine, there are precise guidelines for this, and you can look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Biography/Assessment to find explanations on how to raise a biographical article from any current level of classification, up to B-class. After that, an article can be submitted as a candidate for a GA review, although that process can be quite intense and certainly time-consuming.

For now, I daresay that it's probably best to concentrate on developing the article you have in mind for Henry Hopkins, and then decide with the other editor(s) who will have worked on it with you, on the best classification level to give the article at the time of its final draft. I'll be happy to assist with this at that time, but the first of the two links (in the previous paragraph) will give you access to precise details about the subject. I hope this helped for now.

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 08:51, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

'Cite interview' templates.

Dear MusaVeneziana,
Here are the subject templates, which were at my talk page before I archived that earlier section:

• 1980 interview by Wesley Chamberlin.

• 1995 interview by Joanne L. Ratner.

With kindest regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 20:38, 9 September 2016 (UTC)

References

Thank you, kind Sir Patrick! Pdebee.I think we were working on the Suzanne Muchnic article simultaneously. I hope I didn't gum up the works! I added in one cite to cover the awards under Recognition. Please check the site as it is an odd one - a lecture announcement on an educational institution website - in which a abbreviated biography is included. Is it necessary to cite the last sentence in Recognition section? I suppose I could add one in there! Thank you for everything. I did save the oral history templates that you have re-posted here, by the way. I have a special file for such things outside of Wikipedia as well. ; ) MusaVeneziana^(talk) 01:34, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

How to find out who made an edit / Libraries reached from 'Authority control'

Dear MusaVeneziana,
As promised at the Muchnic talk page, here are two short Help-style articles on how to find out the details of a specific edit:

first, read the short Wikipedia:Simple diff and link guide;

then, read the slightly more detailed Help:Diff article.

These two, short-ish articles will tell you all you need to know in order to be able to find out the editor who applied an edit.

As for the quality of the data loaded at the website(s) of worldwide libraries reached from the 'Authority control' template, I am sure you realize that this is beyond the scope of Wikipedia, which has no control over what these libraries load into their databases. It is only to be expected that subjects (people, books, etc.) that are extremely notable will have more complete data sets than subjects that are less notable. Now, I would tend to agree with you that it seems pointless to include the 'Authority control' template if the linked-to data is of poor quality; however, I often remind myself that these databases are not static entities: they are themselves the subject of changes and improvements, and I therefore conclude with the hope that these library databases will improve over time. As a related example, I have had very pleasant surprises with another website, the IMDb, which is gradually being populated with the details of old films and their casts; I noticed recently that the pages of artists who were poorly represented on the IMDb only a few years ago, are now being enriched with growing lists of the film titles in which these artists appeared, and this is extremely helpful when I edit articles about these artists/films.
In conclusion, I would suggest that, like me, you consider taking the optimistic view on the ongoing quality improvements that will gradually be applied to the databases of these worldwide libraries.
I hope this helped a bit more.
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 10:51, 16 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Patrick, I am aware of how to select and review specific edits. It appears, though, that sometimes an editor will remove the record of their edit, and even their presence on the Talk History page. I only see you and me and a few others that made minor d.o.b. and reference changes. Perhaps you could point me to them (date and time of Authority Control edits), if they are right in front of me and I am simply overlooking them? Molto grazie per tutti! /*\ MusaVeneziana^(talk)

Dear MusaVeneziana,

Maybe you haven't yet looked there but, as already explained earlier today at my latest post on the Muchnic talk page:

"The editor who added the 'Authority control' template is mentioned above, in point 2. of my post at 6:28 on 11 September 2016 (last Sunday), in which I also included a link to the diff that added the template: here; s/he added Muchnic's date of birth template in the infobox, and also added the 'Authority control' template at the bottom of the article (you need to scroll down into the diff to see it)."

With kind regards;

Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 00:57, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Holy macaroni, Patrick! Yes, right in front of my eyes! Grazie mille for instructing me in the finer points of the art of scrolling!

You are a Prince of an editor and a professor extraordinaire (think My Fair Lady.) What magnificent patience you have!

Forgive me, for taking you to task so; I'm afraid that I do not deserve your continued good will. /*\ MusaVeneziana^(talk)

Have a nice weekend! ツ

Portrait of MusaVeneziana at rest.

The subject is said to have posed for this work after an intensive week of editing Wikipedia. Experts believe she is holding her third Margarita.

Dear MusaVeneziana,
Enjoy a relaxing weekend, away from the Wiki and your mentor's relentless teachings! Thank you for your patience with him...
With kind regards;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 09:56, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Thank you, Patrick! I love this painting and have never seen work by this Polish artist before. It looks like there are Tiger Lilys growing before her, a favorite flower of mine.
You are astute indeed as I do love a good margarita - but they are not easy to find. I prefer to make my own and the recipe that a Mexican man gave me is, interestingly enough, the same as the one on the Cointreau website. http://www.cointreau.com/us/en/cocktails/the-original-margarita?type=109&id=724
If you follow this recipe, (and use 'top shelf' tequila) I can guarantee that it will be delicious, perfect, and a bit less sweet than that of the International Bartenders' Association recipe shown on the Wikipedia Margarita entry. Note: I edited the Wikipedia Margarita page! It may be telling that IBA lists the Margarita recipe under Contemporary Classics on their website. http://iba-world.com/contemporary-classics/
It has been said that more people today have a 'sweet tooth' than folks in the days of old. I guess you could say that I'm 'old school.' Salud! /*\ MusaVeneziana^(talk)

Wikifriends?

Dear MusaVeneziana,
I hope you are keeping well and not too busy? All is well here...
I would feel honoured if you would permit me to add the following userbox on my user page:

This user is a WikiFriend with User:MusaVeneziana.

However, please don't hesitate to decline, and I will readily accept—and fully respect—your decision, with good grace.
Thank you.
With kindest regards, as always;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 21:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)


Dear Patrick,

I have not been able to devote much time to Wikipedia lately, but am hoping to once again get into a writing spree, especially regarding one particular article that I have in mind. I hope that you are doing well in all of your many endeavors.

I feel so honored that you would want to list me as your Wikifriend! I do consider you a great friend. I prefer to shy away from scrutiny. May we hold our friendship always dear, but privately? MusaVeneziana^(talk) 20:08, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Dear MusaVeneziana,
Thank you for your candid reply; it's always nice to hear from you and I hope you are keeping well too, albeit busy.
Of course, this is absolutely fine and I will honour and respect your wish, as stated so beautifully above.
More later, when you have time for Wiki activities. Until then, please keep well.
With kindest regards, as always;
Patrick. ツ Pdebee.^{(talk)(guestbook)} 20:21, 26 October 2016 (UTC)