User talk:NPierre11

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If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:43, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

"People first language must be used"

I wanted to let you know that WikiProject Disability's style guide specifically mentions both person first and identity first being fine (and even using both in the same article being fine as long as the phrasings aren't confusing for the reader. In particular, many autistic people prefer identity-first language, though I've seen both person first and identity first language in use on Wikipedia, which is in line with current style guidelines. (On a personal note, rigid adherence to person first language by people in my special education related classes (students and teachers) back in college was one of several things that really affected my self image and stress levels back then as a disabled student who used identity first language, myself. This is tangential from the actual informing of the guideline and is really more a "here's why I cared enough to share the guideline with you", but I wanted to share it.)

Relatedly: I do keep needing to partially revert/copyedit your edits to the lead of the social narrative article as you keep throwing a different sentence into the middle of an existing sentence without paying attention to or editing any existing content around it, leaving a dangling half-paragraph after your edits. You may want to keep how the surrounding content shows up in mind when making edits to articles in mainspace. Thanks! - Purplewowies (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

"Response"

I wanted to inform you that the People first language that you have indicated according to Wikipedia did not occur under the image. It indicated "autistic" instead of individuals with autism. That is where the correction and description of the edit came from. Secondly, Social Narratives are not an Evidenced-Based learning tool as described. It is actually indicated as an Evidence-Based Practice. Evidence-Based Practices are effective educational strategies that is supported by evidence and research. It can be used as a learning tool, which is why it was indicated as such -Evidence-Based Practice.

Relatedly: The edits to the lead of the social narrative article is in that format because it is being updated with new information at this current time. It is being done to ensure that the original form is not deleted, thus the spacing and placement of the sentence while it is being edited through my course.

Relatedly: For future reference, please inquire about why the changes were made, and I would gladly explain to you why, as I am editing the article for my course. Furthermore, please be mindful of Netiquette rules. In addition, please be wise with the tone that is set in responses and explanation of edits (It's more of a "here is why I care") Based on the history of the edits, your explanation of the edit described does not come as constructive. There were several words that were typed in the history that indicates an angry tone. Remember that there are actual people behind the editing of the Wikipedia content for everyone to enjoy. Thanks!

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NPierre11 (talk) 20:13, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Hi! I was saying that person-first language is not required on Wikipedia. I'm saying it doesn't need to be "corrected" (i.e. "autistic" and "person with autism" are both okay) because Wikipedia's style guide suggests that either is fine. It was a note just to clarify the guideline, and I didn't revert any of the text to be identity-first or anything, even if it may be what I personally prefer. Further, it's fine to edit the lead, and I do understand you're editing as part of a class. I was just noting that it's best to make sure you're not introducing an issue at the same time as you're fixing or updating anything, because previous edits have resulted in dangling sentence fragments that didn't previously exist. I understand the desire to leave the prior content there, but that content can always be referenced at any time via the history. If it's an official piece of guidance in your class to leave things that way, then I guess that's something I didn't know and wouldn't have considered based on what I know about quality expectations on the wiki. If so, I'll keep that in mind going forward.

I'm not sure what you're referring to regarding anger in my edit summaries, though. I can see a few that are somewhat blunt, but none that I'd categorize as "angry" or even WP:BITE-y (I try to take even more care than my normal baseline care to avoid that kind of tone when interacting with people who are doing an article as part of an assignment). Every edit I've made to social narrative has been in good faith and I've been assuming that of your edits as well. (Your "this is why I care" note makes me think that perhaps you think I was expressing anger or trying to make a bad faith argument when I shared my personal experience with person first and identity first but that wasn't the case, either—I was simply sharing a personal anecdote because I thought it fleshed out why I thought it was important to lead with the PFL/IFL thing. :P)

If you were trying to use the {{talkback}} template, that's something that goes on my talk page since it would notify me you responded on your talk page. It's also possible to use {{reply to}} like {{reply to|Purplewowies}} right in the reply you leave. The link it generates will notify the person whose username you use in the template that they've been mentioned on the page where you used it! (Apologies for this reply's length--wanted to cover all my bases in responding to your response.) - Purplewowies (talk) 03:31, 27 February 2022 (UTC)