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E-mail

Hi NiciVampireHeart, I've sent you an E-mail. Best. Acalamari 21:10, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Responded. Thanks! Acalamari 21:29, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Florida Heavyweight title

Lucky Cannon confirmed he won the title on twitter which confirms the lordsofpain report. So in that situation should the LOP report be reliable? Thanks Wrestling0101 (talk) 00:40, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for your help Wrestling0101 (talk) 00:44, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Elimination Chamber

Hi Nici - I know you are busy IRL, but I'd like to draw your attention to Talk:Elimination Chamber/GA3, an article I am reassessing for GA. It would be a pity to delist it, and I recall that you are an editor with an interest in high quality pro-wrestling articles, so if you happen to have time to chip it, that would be welcome. Geometry guy 18:34, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do to help tomorrow, but I wouldn't hold out much hope. I tend to specialise in biographies and tag teams, and even disregarding this, when looking at the article it seems to be lacking in areas like reception/reaction to the match in general (good idea/bad idea), sources, especially secondary sources, and so on. NiciVampireHeart 20:44, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Nici, your comments are already helpful, and may have motivated some tps too! Geometry guy 23:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

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Barri Griffiths

I thought I was doing the right thing by adding the "Raw and" part. Why isn't it right?--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 05:06, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not 'wrong' exactly, just unnecessary. He hasn't had a career on Raw outside the Nexus, so just saying 'The Nexus' is fine. Preferably headings shoud be as succint as possible,and give a general indication of what is contained within a section. NiciVampireHeart 11:37, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Final Battle 2010

Hey hey, you beat me to the punch on making a page for ROH's Final Battle. Did you see 2010's by the way? If not, you simply must. I can't think of a better non-WrestleMania PPV in so many years, like going back to the Attitude Era and even then, maybe not so good. It was such a shame Kenny Omega couldn't make it; Sonjay Dutt was probably the only subpar aspect. ROH are doing a buy 3, get 2 free offer so if you haven't seen it I'd snap it up. I'd be getting it but Shimmer DVDs aren't included in the sale, alas. Tony2Times (talk) 01:14, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Someone's made pages for all of ROH's annual events, even the ones without PPVs and ones that have only had one PPV. They have some styling issues which I'll gladly sort out but I don't even know if any of them are necessary so if they're just gonna be deleted it's a bit pointless. Your thoughts? Tony2Times (talk) 19:05, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

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Check List of World Wrestling Entertainment personnel

Can you please check that page out? WWEJobber made a mess with the real names of the wrestlers and personnel.--Mikeymike2001 (talk) 00:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

A mistake

You made a little mistake. I am not edit warring with anyone. The guy you are talking about has the habit of undo new edits without read them. And in the article that you are referring he is undoing information proved by reliable sources. If you look in my history you will see that I alerted some other people about this guy actions. Thanks for the attention. WWEJobber (talk) 18:01, 2 March 2011 (UTC)


Another mistake by you

You cannot report me because, in fact, I reverted it before read your message. It is unfair. This guy is vandalising the articles and who was reported is me? Sorry, but in this one you are wrong. WWEJobber (talk) 18:09, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

What was the problem with the time of the edit? I do have to be reading wikipedia all the time. I have work to do in real life. This explain the six minute between the edits. And you are wrong about FCW. FCW is a WWE trademark. The company that has an agreement with WWE is, in fact, Steve Keirn's Professional Wrestling School of Hard Knocks. And about the "Jon" thing, the google search do not prove anything because Jon Emminger is an old ring name used by him. Of course will you find a lot of result. The same about AJ's real name (April Jeanette Mendez). If the google search can prove your point, it can prove her real name too. I know that you understand it. WWEJobber (talk) 18:36, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, I did not know that you created the expession "edit war". So if you want to accuse me of doing it on purpose just read your own words. "Throwing out unfounded/unverified allegations is not conducive to a collegiate editing environment, and doesn't help you cause in any way." I know what an edit war is and about the 3RR. So I put it in the summary. Sorry if I offended you doing it. And I will say exactly what you told me. "Facts speak for themselves". The "other user" undid exactly the same edits Mikeymike2001 (talk · contribs) just after you warned him. How convenient! WWEJobber (talk) 18:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
Have you read the section above? Have you read my summary? I did not edit warring with anyone and will not do it. And, by the rules, I can change back the FCW article because it is not the "same user", so it will not be an edit war. WWEJobber (talk) 19:15, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Johnny Curtis

He stated that his real name is Johnathan Curtis, but you can call him by any of his nicknames. It is good to know how to read, you should try someday. And I never changed his height. Maybe someone changed it and when I reverted it went together. Sorry about this one. But you are wrong about the real name thing. WWEJobber (talk) 19:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

hi NiciVampireHeart

why undo shelly's youtube channel? you don't think people would be interested in vlog stuff? 98.148.21.59 (talk) 16:33, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

thx NVH. i found your explanation. i don't know much about wikipedia so finding it seems a minor miracle. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.148.21.59 (talk) 06:54, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


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FCW

Do you watch FCW? The title is called and has always been the queen Of FCW. Look it up on results, youtube, etc. Do you need a link to it being called Queen of FCW? Because it has sure NEVER been called Queen Of Florida except that one page on the champions roll call. Thanks. Wrestling0101 (talk) 03:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)


I know what that source says. But it is really not called Queen of Florida. That page isn't even extremely reliable, their dates for one of the reigns of another title isnt even correct. As I said before, do you watch FCW? Because if you did you would see that it is clearly called the Queen of FCW and has been called that since the tournament to crown it started.

http://www.fcwwrestling.info/press11.html

http://www.fcwwrestling.info/press3.html

http://www.fcwwrestling.info/divamonth.html

You could also try to watch the show, it is even available on Youtube if you dont get the channel, for further proof. And you can read results of people who watch the show as well.

It is really lots of sources against your one incorrect one. Im not trying to be rude, honest. but the title really isnot called the queen of florida. Wrestling0101 (talk) 03:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

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hi there... can you teach me how to create a "Navigation Template" just like on your Userpage?.. I was really confused on the "help" page and I don't know where to start creating it.. Is it like Starting an article? sorry for the disturbance.. ^_^ Draven Corvis(Talk) 20:59, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

(e/c) Hi Draven_Corvis. Your question is directed to NiciVampireHeart specifically. When you leave a message on a person's talk page the next time they log in they get a giant orange banner across the top of every page they visit that says "you have new messages", and that banner persists until they visit their talk page. The helpme template calls users who monitor the "Wikipedians looking for help" category to your request, and so it has not for a post such as your addressing one person. Note that the template is normally placed on a user's own talk page', given what it is for. Regarding your question, you might get some use out of visiting the Wikipedia:User page design center. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:21, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

thanks for the info, sir. :) and about the "help", I was just getting Nici's attention.. but luckily, I got yours! (and everyone else) lol anyway, thank you again. Cheers. Draven Corvis(Talk) 17:41, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Rosa Mendes

Ok, I have no problem with the thing about her competing in FCW. I had not added that at first but when I went to revert, someone else had added that before me so I kept it in. I didnt write that sentence and have no problem with it being there or not being there.

With the house show result, it should be specified that it was a house show.

The title name is NOT Queen of Florida. FCW's title history page believe it or not is WRONG. You ignore me when I tell you this, but the title has NEVER, ever, not even on a single occasion, been called the Queen Of Florida. That name is incorrect, as is FCW's title history page. The title name is Queen of FCW. It is called that everywhere else on their site, and on TV, and all over the internet. The fact that you said I change it because "I don't like the name" shows how you fail to read my explanation on the history page and your talk page. I'll try not to break the 3RR rule and I'll stay out of the 24 hour span if you're not going to listen to me, but I have to change it to Queen of FCW because that is the correct name of it and we want the article to be accurate. Thank you. Wrestling0101 (talk) 19:12, 23 March 2011 (UTC)


"Someone else adding it in is no excuse. You continue to add it, and you, and you alone, are responsible for the content of your edits. Please pay more attention in future."

I wasn't using it as an excuse, it was the truth. Thats why I havent readded it.

"Why does it need to be noted that it's a house show, exactly?"

Because other wrestlers' articles usually don't have house show results, and you insist on keeping it in. It kinda sounds like it was on TV from how it is in the article. That is my opinion, we all have that on Wiki. But I have left it as it is because its not an issue to me at the moment.

"That, quite frankly, is ridiculous, not to mention a complete battleground mentality."

Please, no it's not, and you know what. I watch FCW and I can tell you that it has never been called Queen of Florida on television. It is always referred to as the Queen of FCW except on the title history page. I sent you some links to prove that from their site, but also, if you actually watched the show you would also know that. I don't edit articles and argue with other users about names of stuff on a TV show that I don't watch, because most likely I'd be wrong. I know its always called the Queen of FCW because I watch the show and we should go by the official name.

" And of course, I'm assuming you can prove that it has never been called the 'Queen of Florida' ever? You can document every and all mentions of the crown being called the 'Queen of FCW'?"

Do a simple Google search, or watch the show. Wrestling0101 (talk) 03:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

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Edit War warning

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Živilė Raudonienė. Users are expected to collaborate with others and avoid editing disruptively.

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You should give a read to WP:OWN and WP:BLUE. The face and heel turns are obvious even if there isn't a direct article written that says "A.J. turned heel yesterday at FCW". I know a lot of things need sources. but just because you want to own the article doesnt mean you have to use the source line as an excuse for everything that you deep down know is correct (or should know is correct if you watch the show). Not every sentence in an article on wiki has to be sourced.

Do some research. The name change was September 2009. There are things written all over the internet written before October with the new name. Why dont you look things up? http://forceofwrestling.com/?p=8430

You can see that the source in the article left out an entire month of results, but you are pretending to be oblivious. Wrestling0101 (talk) 17:40, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:COMMON
Instead of following every rule, it is acceptable to use common sense as you go about editing. Being too wrapped up in rules can cause loss of perspective, so there are times when it is better to ignore a rule. Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution. Similarly, just because something is not forbidden in a written document, or is even explicitly permitted, doesn't mean it's a good idea in the given situation. The principle of the rules is more important than the letter. Editors must use their best judgment.
WP:BLUE
Keep in mind that the purpose of a citation is to guide the reader to external sources where the reader can verify the idea presented, not to prove to other editors the strength of the idea.
You should definitely read that. Wrestling0101 (talk) 18:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
  • First, don't patronise me. I've been editing wikipedia for three and a half years. I'm familiar with most policies and guidelines. If you're going to link to policies and quote abbreviations at me, you should understand them. From your own quote: "where the reader can verify the idea presented". How can I verify that AJ turned heel from the source in the article, which states, and I quote "Matt Martalo interviewed Naomi Night (thanked the fans for all the support and that she is ready for all challengers – AJ Lee comes out and challenged her for next week)" and then "Naomi Night b AJ Lee to retain the FCW Women’s title". What part of that makes her a heel? A clue: the source doesn't even imply a heel turn at that point in time, let alone actually say it. Further reading of the source has her turning heel in July, well after you claim she did. I've now added it in - and guess what? I was actually able to source the heel turn. Difficult, huh?
  • You should take a look at WP:AGF before throwing out wild accusations. That's the second time in a week you've said I'm trying to own the article. I'm not trying to own any article - I'm trying to improve them. I clarify information. I remove unsourced information. You revert me. That's you trying to own the article, not me. You disagreeing with me and reverting me constantly without providing sources and making claims about sources being wrong and/or leaving things out doesn't mean I own articles, it means you either are too lazy to look up reliable sources or just don't understand how to.
  • Forceofwrestling isn't a reliable source.
  • I stand my earlier comment. Source your information with reliable sources or leave it out. End of, period, point blank. As I said earlier, it's not hard to understand, and it's not hard to do.

NiciVampireHeart 18:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Also, you should really give me a chance to respond before blanking your talk page - it's pretty rude considering I was about to respond in the section I started earlier today before you removed it. NiciVampireHeart 18:33, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Ok, forceofwrestling isnt a reliable source. But I guess magically they knew in September, before October, that her name was A.J. Lee? Its because it actually was that in September. The source in the article left out the September tapings. Like it said on WP:COMMON, you are getting too wrapped up in rules, causing a loss of perspective. There are tons of articles saying the name change was in September. "Even if a contribution "violates" the precise wording of a rule, it might still be a good contribution"
Ok, since you are acknowledging you were wrong since she did turn heel, thats fine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wrestling0101 (talk • contribs) 18:52, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Did you even read my comment? You appear to have completely ignored it. WP:BLUE only applies if you can verify the idea from the source. You couldn't in this case, so you were incorrect in your application of the policy.
I'm still waiting for an apology for your a) patronising tone and b) unfair accusation of "owning" articles. I'm not going to hold my breath though.
Eh, I never said she didn't turn heel, just that you needed a source for it. You appear to have trouble differeniating between the two.
In case you're wondering, I'm leaving my comment here since you'll just read it, completely disregard it, leave a response completely missing the point and refusing to acknowledge your errors, and then blank my comments. All based on past experiences before you started linking to more policies I'm already familiar with. NiciVampireHeart 19:03, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

I am in awe of your continued ability to make the policies fir your edits, instead of the other way around. Read WP:BLUE again. I shall quote some here for ease. "there is no need to verify statements that are patently obvious and generally accepted." The fact that she debuted as a face is neither "patently obvious" nor "generally accepted". Therefore, a source is required. WP:BLUE is not a way of getting around having to provide reliable sources for information, as you appear to be trying to make it. If information is contentious or challenged, you need to provide a source for it. I'm challening what you added, which makes it contentious, which means it requires a source. Do you need me to repeat that again? Source it or leave it out. If that sounds familiar, it's because I've said it before. NiciVampireHeart 19:11, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Confused.

Hey there.

I don't know where you're getting this idea that I've been adding "NOT YET!" to Natalya's page. I've only been changing pictures around to more recent ones. I didn't edit text at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RideTheLightning728 (talk • contribs) 15:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Didn't add that...

I still don't know how that happened. I'm not that kind of editor. The ONLY things I changed were the pictures. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RideTheLightning728 (talk • contribs) 01:23, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

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