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Wow.

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By FAR the largest article on Wikipedia, and it doesn't even have a talk page. Until now. Alex Devens (talk) 01:37, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Although I will say, this is a VERY strange (and seemingly random) article to be Wikipedia's largest. I mean, what even is Western Balkan? Alex Devens (talk) 01:39, 19 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Why is this article so long? Someone should split it up. And I agree this is a wierd article to be so large — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coolkid is cool and cool (talk • contribs) 19:15, 22 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

At most this article should only contain combined demographics of the "Western Balkans". This article should probably be deleted altogether though. Onetwothreeip (talk) 03:26, 2 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This is the best article about the demographics of the Western Balkans countries.Please don't delete it.All tables are important for those who want to know more about this topic. No need to downsize tables. Also, you can see more prose in the related articles I posted at the beginning of this article. I don’t think there needs to be more prose because everything is simply made and everything can be understood by reading the tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ripas1997 (talk • contribs) 02:02, 5 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not delete this article. This article is very useful for studying the demographics of the Western Balkan countries as well as any information presented therein. I put a lot of effort into gathering all the information and making this article. Thank you. Ripas1997 (talk 13:24, 16 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I deleted the tables relating to the individual demographics of the Western Balkan countries and set those tables in the articles relating to the demographics of those countries. Now this article is much smaller in size, and contains only data related to the overall demographic of the Western Balkans. If you like, you can also add prose related to this topic and help to finish this topic completely. I think now the article is ok and should not be deleted. Ripas1997 (talk 20:36, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia

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Just flagging that the article includes statistics on Slovenia, but according to Balkans#Western Balkans, Slovenia isn't considered to be part of the Western Balkans. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:11, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia is partly in the Balkans and partly not. However, Slovenia was part of Yugoslavia and historically, linguistically and culturally, Slovenia is considered part of the Western Balkans because of its similarity to other peoples of the former Yugoslavia. Ripas1997 (talk 01:02, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That's not what the sources cited at Balkans#Western Balkans suggest though. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:28, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Slovenia is included in the Balkans geographically and is located in the far west of the Balkan Peninsula, which means that it is part of the Western Balkans. Politically, Slovenia is not part of the Western Balkans, but geographically it is.Look at the first map on that source.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkans#/media/File:Karte_Suedosteuropa_03_01.png Ripas1997 (talk 09:49, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

This sounds like original research, in that case. Can you provide sources that include Slovenia in the Western Balkans? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:46, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Balkan_countries Ripas1997 (talk 16:36, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The article claims that the Western Balkans roughly correspond to the area covered by the Dinaric Alps. This definition is pretty problematic due to the fact that the Dinaric Alps cover less than a half of Croatian territory. In Croatia the Dinaric Alps divide the coastline from the Continental part of Croatia, which is mostly flat and covered by the Pannonian plain which extends into neighbouring Serbia which is also a subject of this article. Similarly can be said for Slovenia. Due to this, this article's Croatian language version was deleted from the Croatian language Wikipedia and due to wrong use of punctuation (the one present in the English language) and because of bad translation (some weird Serbian and Croatian hybrid, not to be confused with the artificial Serbo-Croatian language) and because of original research. It's also worth mentioning that the Western Balkans are a political division, not a geographical, demographical, cultural or historical division. Due to this I support the article's deletion. --Croxyz (talk) 11:16, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just to note that the deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Demographics of the Western Balkans, not here, Croxyz. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:27, 18 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well, culturally Slovenia has never been part of the Balkans culturally and most Slovenian people identify as Slavic and closer to eastern Europe than the group of southern Slavs in the Balkans.Kinukram (talk) 11:54, 22 April 2020 (UTC)Kinukram[reply]

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