User talk:PKM/1 2005

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Thanks for the links in the clothing article. I rewrote the article extensively, realized that links or articles were needed, and then never followed up. You've fixed a big problem! Zora 20:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Haute Couture[edit]

Any help is appreciated. That is what Wikipedia is all about. Thanks. Ted Wilkes 11:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks =]; it does annoy me when users can't accept NPOV, especially over something relatively trivial like underwear, which is the reason behind my edits. Ralphael

Skirt and dress[edit]

Yes the last section could be improved as there are some today who push shorts and trousers as better than skirts and dresses. 07:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hard work![edit]

I just looked at your contribs and noticed that you've been doing a LOT of work. Thank you so much!

If and when you have time, take a look at the Sari article I just rewrote. You may find some errors, or have some good ideas about what else is needed. Zora 2 July 2005 01:24 (UTC)

Thanks for smock-frock. That was needed, and the illo is perfect. Zora 2 July 2005 19:37 (UTC)

Help on sari[edit]

I rewrote sari, thinking it was an abandoned article. It seems to have been the pet project of someone I am guessing is a South Indian male with strong ideas about links between the Indus Valley civilization and Tamil culture, the antiquity of saris, etc. He has restored much of his wretched prose and refuses to discuss matters (though it could be that he just checks in once a week or so to make sure that "his" article is still there). I would appreciate some help in pulling the article back towards a female and textile artist perspective.

BTW, this is the "bad" side of Wikipedia. I kinda hate to introduce you to it so early. Many editors are great collaborators. They don't hold onto their prose, listen to new ideas, make good suggestions, etc. However -- there are the fuggheads who have an idee fixe, who can't write worth beans, and resent any challenges. They will revert to their own version and refuse to discuss.

The usual wiki career is something like:

  1. I can make a difference in the world! I can fix this article!
  2. Sigh. So many damn idiots.
  3. I can't take it any longer. It's like shoveling dung. I quit.

I am approaching number 3! I think I have to just do what I can and realize it's going to take a long time for Wikipedia to mature.

Usually the clothing articles are fairly safe from this sort of thing, unless you run into a male with a fetish. Zora 6 July 2005 04:15 (UTC)

Don't worry about disillusioning me; been around online communities since 1991. When it stops being fun, I'll quit.
I don't know anything about saris, and really don't feel qualified to edit someone else's work there. Sorry.
Let's expand Jacobean embroidery instead! PKM 6 July 2005 23:22 (UTC)

Belted plaid[edit]

Thanks for the touch-up and photo in the Belted plaid article. Actually, I made a special point of trying to get a suitable image at the most recent Highland Games gathering which I attended, but could not find anyone wearing one with appropriate period accessories! I will continue looking.

I will attend the U.S. Highland Dance championships in Mount Vernon, WA (Skagit Valley Highland Games) this weekend and try again. I will also get some pictures of the dance outfits for a forthcoming article on the Aboyne dress, a female highland dance outfit. There is a Scottish highland dance article, much expanded by myself recently, but it still needs a section on hgihland dance attire.

JFPerry 6 July 2005 17:29 (UTC)

In addition to material for the Aboyne dress article and Highland dance photos, it looks like I will be able to get some photos for another upcoming article - on the Inverness rain cape. Sigh! JFPerry 8 July 2005 22:32 (UTC)

Kilt-skirt definiton[edit]

In the Skirt article, I re-cast the definition of kilt-skirt (I forgot to log in, but it was me). It is difficult if not impossible to define this term so as to diferentiate it from a traditional (man's) kilt without resorting to artificial (registered with the Lyon Court) or societal (fashioned as women's wear) conventions. The main differences are that the kilt is pleated to the sett or stripe (requiring a lot more fabric). This would affect how it hangs (pleats hang straight down or flared). Also, the kilt will be made of twill woven worsted wool, the kilt-skirt could be made of a variety of fabrics. Tartan is a word which used to refer to a type of fabric, but its current usage refers to a certain plaid pattern (repeating and reversing, warp and weft identical, registered with the Lyon Court). The kilt pin is not fastened through both aprons, only the front. I do not know how girls wear the kilt pin on a kilt-skirt (through the front apron only, or through both).

There is a really funny picture of what is mis-identified as a kilt on Wikimedia Commons. The filename is Kilt.JPG. It is also "copyvio" tagged. I hope it will be deleted. It is that sort of photo which gives open-source work like the Commons or Wikipedia a bad name.

JFPerry 17:24, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

How to destroy a Spanish village while searching for El Dorado[edit]

You added this to Walter Raleigh: "Raleigh was released from the Tower in 1616 to conduct a second expedition to the Orinoco in search of El Dorado, in the course of which he destroyed a Spanish town." If you have more information about this, it would be interesting to know how, why, and where he managed to destroy a Spanish town while searching El Dorado. Rl 07:11, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, "Spanish colonial outpost" might be more accurate. Sources:
Hadn't remembered that Raleigh's son Wat was killed in the sack of San Thome; should probably add that. PKM 00:39, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Help with Clothing requested[edit]

Hullo PKM, we've got an editor named Andycjp who feels that a quote from Genesis is necessary in the section on the history of clothing. He's added it twice, I've deleted it twice. He may well add it again -- he's feeling aggrieved and opines that if I don't like the Bible getting special treatment, I should add quotations from all other human mythologies to balance it out. Oy! Please help me keep him reverted. Zora 07:59, 2 September 2005 (UTC)


Thank you for your note. There's a reply at the place where people leave me messages Quill 07:10, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

Campo de Cahuenga[edit]

Great work on Campo de Cahuenga. Thanks for contributing to Wikipedia. -Willmcw 21:46, 15 October 2005 (UTC)


My real goal is to get a good article going on Directoire/Empire/Regency styles that would provide a lot more information than the current skimpy and illustrationless Empire silhouette article. I have a site at , but I'm rather unsure what to copy over, and how to adapt it to Wikipedia requirements. See Talk:English Regency. Churchh 15:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for work on darning[edit]

You really finished off the article in style! Thanks so much for the good edits!

Hmmm, as I wrote that, I had an idea. Darning in literature? I know that the heroine of Charlotte Bronte's The Professor takes up the profession of lace-mending. I don't have refs, but as I recall, Victorian novelists made a point of describing faded gentility as wearing darned clothing -- but it was carefully darned. Indicative of self-respect. You have any other thoughts? Zora 19:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Expand net darning and pattern darning as much as you please, IN the current article, and if they start looking ungainly, then move them out.
I'm glad you have the old book to scan. I have a lovely edition of Therese de Dillmont's Encyclopedia of Needlework (the reason I know about pattern darning) but it's modern edition of the 1880s book, so there are copyright issues.
I'm on a Victoriana mailing list (which seems to be on hiatus now) and when it starts up again, I'll ask re literature and darning. Those college professors love finding cites.
We also need an article on patching, yes? Zora 20:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Costume blog[edit]

If I haven't already recommended it (forgive me if I have), I'll take the liberty to mention a blog called Demodé [1]. The author belongs to a costume guild and is fascinated by movie costume design. Why, I even rented The Affair of the Necklace at her instigation. I ended up "watching" it with the sound off and the movie on fast forward, so I could skip the plot and acting and focus on the costumes <g>. Anyhoo, she has a long section on costume in cinema. You'd love it. Zora 20:35, 17 December 2005 (UTC)