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Broken noses
[edit]Cumberland didn't have the only player to get a ball to the face. Cake (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
- Would never have bet on Clemson to give Ohio State such a beatdown. Do they have a player at the level of a Chic Harley to historians? Outside of the sport, the most Clemson-y connection of my edits might be the Stonewall Brigade Band. The fellow who wrote the book on the band was Clemson class of 1917. Ever hear of Mutt Gee? Cake (talk) 10:57, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
- So the 'ole dandy taskmaster took one in the face at Penn, eh? Where do you find this stuff? *l* Good job with the sources. Correcting many of those SIAA errors, templates etc., was tedious, no? Do you also have a paid account with newspapers.com? By the way, stumbled across this for you in Commons, on 1900 Heisman team (from a 1901 yearbook), and other photos and illustrations.[1][2]. Notice the birds in the tree; pretty clever. Now that all the post season games are over, much to update and a lot of stats to pull. Sorry, took me a while to respond, been busy with work and family. Actually CU's interior didn't surprise me at all. I wouldn't call that game a beatdown so much as a shutout. I think any team that struggles to get on the board by the 3rd quarter will wear out eventually. Remember, even Heisman contended that score margins are not always the best indicator of teams and match-ups. Some great postseason games all the way around. Florida State-Michigan seemed like pure fatigued chaos by the end. I will have to take a look at your links when I have time. I am not sure I have heard that name off the top of my head, but anyone with the name "Mutt" sounds kind of familiar when related to sports. SportsEdits1 (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
- Take your time. Wikipedia is charitable enough to give out newspapers.com accounts for a year at a time. I had figured an Alabama/Ohio State rematch was certain. You're right to say Heisman's ghost is objecting; and have seen the illustrations before. There's also this one. Sewanee (and Auburn, with Heisman) had a powerful squad the year before, and I'm still not sure what makes the Clemson record more impressive than Auburn's in 1900. Funny enough I had just emailed Auburn to see their views on why they don't include 1900. PS Aside from Heisman and Sitton, I should most point to Josh Cody as an article I've tried to spruce up which has ties to Clemson. It seems he used to be considered the best Clemson coach this side of Heisman and Frank Howard, or something like that. And Stumpy Banks seems like Clemson's lone blip on the radar on legends for his era. Cake (talk) 04:30, 17 January 2017 (UTC)
- According to Fuzzy Woodruff, the jump shift was installed by Heisman in his 2nd or 3rd year at Tech. Wonder what he ran at Clemson that was so innovative. Cake (talk) 04:39, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
- Edwin Pope died today. The one talking about Heisman's nose. Cake (talk) 23:04, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
- Please tell me Cake that you aren't going to be one of those fan editors who are here to try and invent more titles and championships for SEC teams that they actually didn't win. *L* Kind of kidding, but seriously too, we don't need too much more of that on an encyclopedia. It kind of takes away from some of the historic teams who rightfully already earned that distinction. I know there are a handful of cases perhaps that sports historians are looking at, but most of the craziness that spread to wikipedia about phantom championships by fans sprang from a marketing gimmick by Alabama's former sports director Wayne Atcheson trying to compensate for the passing of Bear Bryant in the 1980's and keep up with Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, and Oklahoma. I am not getting what the conflict is in 1900, when considering Auburn only played four games, three in Auburn, against teams with not much of a record over .500. I think Heisman's traveling road show played six games, all apparently on the road from a recent edit, and still won pretty impressively as a road team. Seems to be the consensus. By the way, did the media guide say Calhoun, SC or Columbia, SC (or list as H or A)? I would trust that source first. I have read about Cody. Interesting dude. I think the player associated to Clemson that would be most immediate to mind would be Banks McFadden [3][4], their first consensus All-American. But so much is already written about him in print. However that's the good thing about research, because I am sure there are a plethora of diamond in the ruff players, especially before the poll era, that editors here just haven't gotten around to writing about yet. I think your contributions at wiki have been best at that, and the ones I have enjoyed reading the most. I just saw a random reference to Billy Hair for instance [5][6][7][8][9] (I googled) with a photograph from the 1952 Gator Bowl in a current issue of Sports Illustrated. Enjoyed seeing that as well. SportsEdits1 (talk) 05:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, and while I was researching sources, one of the writers (Mr. Blackman) of that "If These Walls Could Talk" book wanted me to ask around about newspaper articles and sources about the 1939 Southern Conference season. He says that he has some newspaper clippings from Texas that refer to Clemson as "Southern Conference champions" before the 1940 Cotton Bowl game against Boston College [10][11][12]. SportsEdits1 (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- 1900 Auburn beat Georgia and Alabama worse than Clemson did, and I am not sure which of Clemson's other games were even conference matchups. Not trying to make it like 1941 Alabama, but don't want to overlook a champion prematurely either. I think a lot of edits here say Calhoun, SC when newspapers mention Clemson or Columbia or elsewhere. One does indeed need to double-check any claim of a game at Bowman Field. I try to stick to before 1933 and have never heard of Hair, but the helmet and blur of a football is great. He looks better with Red Grange's 77 instead of the 25. In 1939, Cody at UF and Neely at Clemson were Leahy's two losses. Looks like it may be reasonable to call Clemson and Duke SoCon co champs that year. Cake (talk) 00:29, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
- FYI, Dode Phillips was ranked South Carolina's greatest athlete. Cake (talk) 17:05, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
- Let me know if you find any more state champions. Cake (talk) 14:36, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, and while I was researching sources, one of the writers (Mr. Blackman) of that "If These Walls Could Talk" book wanted me to ask around about newspaper articles and sources about the 1939 Southern Conference season. He says that he has some newspaper clippings from Texas that refer to Clemson as "Southern Conference champions" before the 1940 Cotton Bowl game against Boston College [10][11][12]. SportsEdits1 (talk) 05:36, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- Please tell me Cake that you aren't going to be one of those fan editors who are here to try and invent more titles and championships for SEC teams that they actually didn't win. *L* Kind of kidding, but seriously too, we don't need too much more of that on an encyclopedia. It kind of takes away from some of the historic teams who rightfully already earned that distinction. I know there are a handful of cases perhaps that sports historians are looking at, but most of the craziness that spread to wikipedia about phantom championships by fans sprang from a marketing gimmick by Alabama's former sports director Wayne Atcheson trying to compensate for the passing of Bear Bryant in the 1980's and keep up with Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, and Oklahoma. I am not getting what the conflict is in 1900, when considering Auburn only played four games, three in Auburn, against teams with not much of a record over .500. I think Heisman's traveling road show played six games, all apparently on the road from a recent edit, and still won pretty impressively as a road team. Seems to be the consensus. By the way, did the media guide say Calhoun, SC or Columbia, SC (or list as H or A)? I would trust that source first. I have read about Cody. Interesting dude. I think the player associated to Clemson that would be most immediate to mind would be Banks McFadden [3][4], their first consensus All-American. But so much is already written about him in print. However that's the good thing about research, because I am sure there are a plethora of diamond in the ruff players, especially before the poll era, that editors here just haven't gotten around to writing about yet. I think your contributions at wiki have been best at that, and the ones I have enjoyed reading the most. I just saw a random reference to Billy Hair for instance [5][6][7][8][9] (I googled) with a photograph from the 1952 Gator Bowl in a current issue of Sports Illustrated. Enjoyed seeing that as well. SportsEdits1 (talk) 05:13, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- So the 'ole dandy taskmaster took one in the face at Penn, eh? Where do you find this stuff? *l* Good job with the sources. Correcting many of those SIAA errors, templates etc., was tedious, no? Do you also have a paid account with newspapers.com? By the way, stumbled across this for you in Commons, on 1900 Heisman team (from a 1901 yearbook), and other photos and illustrations.[1][2]. Notice the birds in the tree; pretty clever. Now that all the post season games are over, much to update and a lot of stats to pull. Sorry, took me a while to respond, been busy with work and family. Actually CU's interior didn't surprise me at all. I wouldn't call that game a beatdown so much as a shutout. I think any team that struggles to get on the board by the 3rd quarter will wear out eventually. Remember, even Heisman contended that score margins are not always the best indicator of teams and match-ups. Some great postseason games all the way around. Florida State-Michigan seemed like pure fatigued chaos by the end. I will have to take a look at your links when I have time. I am not sure I have heard that name off the top of my head, but anyone with the name "Mutt" sounds kind of familiar when related to sports. SportsEdits1 (talk) 19:47, 16 January 2017 (UTC)
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[edit]- archive* Sources: [13][14][15], 1900 [16][17](p. 140); Umphlett, Creating the Big Game: John W. Heisman and the Invention of American Football (1992) p. 64 [18].
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- What's 'EAF'? --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 11:24, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
- Sure thing. I thought it was a nice touch. Oh EAF, short for your handle. Sorry I was busy, and multi-tasking r/t. SportsEdits1 (talk) 11:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)