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Perhaps you would like to add something[edit]

Perhaps you would like to add something to Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/79.78.168.63? Debresser (talk) 11:36, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Question[edit]

Hey, could I ask you something? I'm really an outsider to the established order of Wiki. Anyway, some third-grade university course active here added Reform Judaism to their assignment list. The two students editing it are, well, clueless and ignore my comments on the talk page. They read some general intro on the modern history of Judaism and quote voluminously from it. I reverted them once but I'm really not in the mood to argue. Should I just wait for them to finish (course ends in about two weeks) and then restore to the old version? AddMore-III (talk) 04:27, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

@AddMore-III:. First of all, I'm fine with denomination. What I didn't like was confessional, which is even more Christian than doctrinal. Anyway ...
The university students are required to listen to what you have to say on the talk page, and they are required to provide sources for their edits. If they do not do those things, you can revert. But please be sure you include both on the talk page and in the edit summary the "why" of what you're doing. And don't get snagged in WP:3RR. If they're going to insist, you may have to put in a complaint at WP:ANI in order not to get blocked yourself because of 3RR.
Can you post me a diff that illustrates the problem? StevenJ81 (talk) 13:21, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
Just take a peek at the talk page and the recent edits there. For one, they insist adding a ton of "info" (long quotes, actually) on the Haskalah which is totally irrelevant. The thing is, once they'll complete their assignment (21 May or maybe a few days later) they won't care anymore. I utterly despise dealing with that sort of people, I much rather wait. AddMore-III (talk) 17:07, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
@AddMore-III: I've been meaning to sit down and review the work you've done on this article for quite a while. And I'm thinking I'll probably now need to do this sooner rather than later.
Look, as far as I can tell, the students have done things the way they're supposed to. They've written on the talk page. They've provided sources. They've been polite. So if you feel that their contributions are not accurate, you're just going to need to respond to them, either now or after their class is complete.
  • I sense some ownership issues here, and you need to be wary of that.
  • While the article is not about the Haskalah, I don't think it's right to say that the Haskalah is totally irrelevant, either. If nothing else, it helped create the conditions for the "[b]reakdown of traditional patterns", as you put it.
  • Similarly, "[b]reakdown of traditional patterns" is more inclusive than "no longer separated from the mainstream life of Non-Jews". But one of those phrases feels more inward-looking, while one is more outward-looking. It may be worthwhile to include a version of both ideas going forward.
I think you probably can and should keep the content mostly intact along the lines of what you wrote. But if you can find a way to incorporate a couple of the students' ideas explicitly, it will probably make them happy and prevent this from turning into a conflict. I'd encourage you to do that. StevenJ81 (talk) 17:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

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