User talk:Strav17

Hey Travis I see what you are saying. However I do not believe that the notability argument holds water--after all, Wikipedia is supposed to be an encyclopedic resource providing as much information that others may find useful as possible (within copyright bounds, etc.), and there is definitely a significant community that would find this information useful. The facts in this section are of direct relevance to anyone in the North Carolina high school running community and possibly some others; they are almost certainly of greater reader interest than many of the more obscure cultural or taxonomical articles, all of which are undeniably an asset to Wikipedia anyway because they increase its breadth of coverage. If someone deleted the first article on a rare insect subspecies because no other rare insect subspecies had an article, useful information would be lost to the public, and it seems to me that this is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia. And while I wholeheartedly agree that self-promotion is inappropriate here, facts cannot be considered to constitute self-promotion, and in fact the talk and history pages indicate that alleged biases have been taken seriously and corrected. In particular, material is either self-promotion or it isn't, and pages on Facebook.com are not relevant to this judgment. Still, if you feel that there are particular passages that are self-promoting, please do not hesitate to bring them up. I am putting back all the information now based on the general idea that more detail is better than less, but once again I would be glad to discuss any part of the article that you feel needs work. Cheers Santiago

Hey Angela Thanks for your consideration; your friend's point is certainly valid. To be honest though this page does only cover the most important facts about the team--coaches, course records, championships, etc. In this sense it is by no means a repetition of carunning.com--it is a summary of key points, just as any encyclopedia article is just a summary of its sources (or one source in the case of many article). It is true that a very biased list of facts can be self-promoting, though self-promoting material almost always breaks with the objective style either through analysis or through distortion of the facts. Nevertheless, if the page listed every victory, records against rivals, et cetera it would definitely be self-promoting. The article was edited for this before--e.g. material considered "fawning" on Coach Hall was removed. As you may know, the Cross Country section used to be a separate article; nickptar (wikipedia admin and current senior not affiliated with the team) said it would be best to merge it with the main article, which according to nickptar was probably written by someone not affiliated with the school. This original section was essentially a stub plus the list of plays (probably since the plays are easy to access on the Internet). I added the academics section at the time of merging in order to keep it from being just Cross Country and arts; in accordance with nickptar's suggestions the language was modified somewhat and several of the sources were added. I agree that there is some one-sidedness in the article but since the current information is all of relevance to many people, it seems the solution would be to expand more rather than to delete. I think nickptar had something of this sort in mind when merging. Now just don't go telling your brothers about this :D Santiago

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AfD Nomination: Campus Venture Network

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