User talk:Tedalvy

Speedy deletion of Ted Alvy

A tag has been placed on Ted Alvy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. Erik the Red 2 ~~~~ 02:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Ted Alvy

A tag has been placed on Ted Alvy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. KurtRaschke (talk) 03:44, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

November 2008

You should wait for others to write an article about subjects in which you are personally involved, as you did at Ted Alvy. This applies to articles about you, your achievements, your band, your business, your publications, your website, your relatives, and any other possible conflict of interest.

Creating an article about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you create such an article, it might be listed on articles for deletion. Deletion is not certain, but many feel strongly that you should not start articles about yourself. This is because independent creation encourages independent validation of both significance and verifiability. All edits to articles must conform to Wikipedia:No original research, Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, and Wikipedia:Verifiability.

If you are not "notable" under Wikipedia guidelines, creating an article about yourself may violate the policy that Wikipedia is not a personal webspace provider and would thus qualify for speedy deletion. If your achievements, etc., are verifiable and genuinely notable, and thus suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia, someone else will probably create an article about you sooner or later. (See Wikipedia:Wikipedians with articles.) Thank you. KurtRaschke (talk) 03:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Cosmos Topper

A tag has been placed on Cosmos Topper requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. — The Final Chronicler (talk) 03:46, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cosmos Topper

Ted,

1.) I suggest you contest the deletion by added the hangon tag to the article;

2.) Focus on the notability of the subject. (i.e., the importance of KPPC in 60's radio scene and your impact on the station.}

3.) Talk about your relation with Tom D. and how he and you changed radio.

4.) The path you and KPPC provided and the fact that you both paved the road for the current face of radio.

5.) I loved you and the others at KPPC in the 60's and was PO'd when they sold you out. I still miss the late nights of listening to you guys (and Outrageous Nevada). Thanks...

ttonyb1 (talk) 04:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'd add that it's also important to find sources that mention Alvy. Things like newspapers, magazines, or books would be best. They help establish the encyclopedic relevance. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 05:40, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the L.A. Times archive and found this:

Bay Area radio veteran Donahue seized on the opportunity and in 1967 convinced Lee Crosby, owner of both KPPC and KMPX, to let him bring the new sounds to his FM outlets. Soon Donahue installed a staff of radio rebels in the Pasadena Presbyterian Church basement home of KPPC, with B. Mitchell Reed as program director. And despite a very poor signal, the outlet became the hip frequency in the region.
"The signal sucked, but word got out through the industry," says Ted Alvy, who served as Reed's producer and is now writing two books dealing with the region's underground radio. "People would string antennas and wires and things to try to figure out how to get it. And we'd have people like Derek Taylor {the Beatles' and Byrds' press representative}, and if anyone was in town, a Beatle or one of the Dead, they'd come by."
That response and cultural presence was enough to convince the radio world that there might be something to this new style of radio. Soon it was taken up by--and co-opted by, to some perspectives--the corporate radio world. After the strike, KPPC veterans such as Reed eventually were hired by Metromedia for KMET in a largely successful attempt to bring the radical elements into the mainstream.
- HOCHMAN, STEVE (1998-03-05). "RADIO; Mavericks of the Airwaves; Thirty years ago, FM trailblazers fought back when corporate types tried to replace them". Los Angeles Times. p. 30. ISSN 0458-3035. {{cite news}}: |access-date= requires |url= (help)

That's not enough to support an article, but it's a start. Did those books ever get published? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 06:25, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tedalvy, please don't recreate the articles again until we've been able to identify sources for it. The two articles have now been deleted repeatedly, which makes it harder to recreate them once enough material has been found. While it appears to me that Cosmos Topper was a significant and notable DJ, Wikipedia requires that all assertions be verifiable from reliable sources. It's not enough for us to say that KPPC was a groundbreaking station and that CT was an important part of its history - we need 3rd-party sources which say so. Unfortunately, like many popular cultural institutions, alternative radio from 30 or 40 years ago receives little attention from scholars or historians. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 20:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Ted Alvy

A tag has been placed on Ted Alvy requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Lastly, please note that if the article does get deleted, you can contact one of these admins to request that a copy be emailed to you. ṜedMarkViolinist^{Drop me a line} 16:13, 21 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

The information about COSMOS TOPPER has been on the Web since 1995 and has been on Wikipedia entry KPPC as External links An article about KPPC by former KPPC disc jockey Ted Alvy.

October 2008 saw the debut of TEDALVY DOT COM, so I added Ted Alvy (aka Cosmos Topper) to KPPC entry (the deejay names had been left off Wikipedia entry KPPC.

Don Barrett is a source on his website LARadio dot com and in his book Los Angeles Radio People Vol. 2.

Another source is an Interview of deejay Ted Alvy by drummer Alex Cline for The U.C.LA. Center For Oral History Research with hardbound copies at the U.C.L.A. Library and U.C. Berkeley Library]

Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 14:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Tedalvy, I copied this here because the other talk page may be deleted shortly. Do you have access to these sources, particularly the books? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 00:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Mea Culpa: I keep making rookie mistakes, as this week is my first try at adding info to WIKI (the 2006 item was tried by a friend using my username).

I have both above mentioned books and have contributed radio info to the website LARadio dot com since 1997.

MORE SOURCES:

rocksbackpages.com/writer.html?WriterID=alvy

AUDIO: The Grateful Dead (and the New Riders), PART 1 (Ted Alvy, KPPC-FM 106.7 Pasadena, 27 December 1970) Jerry Garcia and Bob Weir from the Dead, plus New Riders David Nelson and Marmaduke, talk about Workingman's Dead and the birth of the New Riders of the Purple Sage, while DJ Ted Alvy spins tunes and tries to keep order. Originally broadcast on KPPC-FM Pasadena in December 1970

AUDIO: The Grateful Dead (and the New Riders), PART 2 (Ted Alvy, KPPC-FM 106.7 Pasadena, 27 December 1970)...in which Garcia, Weir, David Nelson and Marmaduke break out the guitars and have themselves an impromptu hootenanny hosted by DJ Ted Alvy, playing some of your country-gospel favourites amidst much studio chaos. Originally broadcast on KPPC-FM Pasadena in December 1970.

AUDIO: Pink Floyd's Nick Mason and Rick Wright (Ted Alvy, KPPC-FM 106.7 Pasadena, 10 October 1971) A splendid radio interview with Messrs. Mason and Wright in which they talk to DJ Ted Alvy about Meddle, the Zabriskie Point soundtrack, their quadraphonic p.a. system, and playing live. Originally broadcast on KPPC-FM Pasadena in October 1971.

Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 22:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's a start. I haven't paid the subscription fee, but I'm presuming that the interviews weren't about Ted Alvy. In that case the only biographical information we could take from those interviews is that they occurred. (Something like "Alvy conducted on-air interviews with Weir & Garcia of the Dead, Nelson & Marmaduke of New Riders, as well as Mason & Wright of Pink Floyd.") I checked the http://laradio.com/ archives (free in November!), but I couldn't find any biographical information, other than Alvy attending an event at the TV/Radio museum, which is probably too trivial to mention. What do the books say about Alvy? ·:· Will Beback ·:· 22:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Don Barrett is a source on his website LARadio dot com [FREE area in upper left Where Are They Now laradio.com/wherea.htm

Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 23:20, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, OK. That's why citations need to be specific. Here's what it says under Where Are They Now:

Alvy, Ted: KFWB, 1967; KVFM, 1967; KPPC, 1968 and 1970-71; KMET, 1968-70 and 1973-76. Ted is writing a cybernovel and paperback titled, 60's L.A. Underground Radio: I was a Teenage Disc Jockey featuring the adventures of B. Mitchel Reed.

That's pretty threadbare, but it's something. It can be used as a reference for the stations and tenures. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 23:54, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the time you are taking. Those are only L.A. stations. More can be found at tedalvy.com/cosmos.htm

What if a Ted Alvy entry and a Cosmos Topper entry just have Internal Links to each other Plus a couple of External Hyperlinks?

The LARadio dot com ARCHIVES Search Engine misses many entries, including Ted Alvy, as I have several dozen mentions on my submissions and by Don Barrett himself. Here are a couple postings:

LARADIO dot com November 3, 2008:

1968 Hippie Strike. Ted Alvy remembers the “Hippie Strike” in 1968. “The hippie deejays and the entire KPPC staff walked a 24-hour picket line around the Pasadena Presbyterian Church, where the KPPC/fm 106.7 broadcast studios were located in the church basement,” wrote Ted. “The KMPX/KPPC Strike began at 3 a.m. on March 18, 1968 [with most KMPX-San Francisco deejays going on the air at KSAN/fm-San Francisco on Tom Donahue’s birthday, May 21, 1968], as we picketed KPPC until the weekend before the 1968 Summer Solstice [the day the then-still-automated [dashes added] KMET/fm 94.7 started playing some Rock And Roll with taped programs by B. Mitchel Reed and Tom Donahue). Jolly Joe Yocam, the always happy KFWB deejay, was friends with 1968 KPPC deejay B. Mitchel Reed, who was also a former KFWB deejay.”

Story in Daily Variety, Friday, April 12, 1968: “AFTRA Supports Strike Of Indie Union Against KPPC, Pasadena. American Federation of TV and Radio Artists has joined in support of a small local indie union of performers, currently striking KPPC/fm here and KMPX/fm, a sister Frisco station. Joe Yocam, prexy of local AFTRA chapter, said AFTRA ‘extends its hand of aid to all those who are working under sub-standard wage and working conditions.’ AFTRA members are requested not to accept work at the struck stations. KPPC deejays and staffers walked off the job March 18, protesting firing of general manager Milan H. Melvin and program manager Tom Donahue, charging ‘unfair management practices.’ KMPX also has been striking in sympathy. Both stations are o&o’d by Crosby-Avery Broadcasting Co.”

LARadio dot com (January 22, 2007)

SNAP Goes the Beatles. Deirdre O’Donoghue was a favorite host of Breakfast with the Beatles and KCRW’s SNAP music program. This weekend marked the 6th anniversary of her death. Ted Alvy remembers Deirdre:

“It was reported that Breakfast With the Beatles radio host Deirdre O'Donoghue died from complications of Multiple Sclerosis on Saturday January 20, 2001, the same day George W. Bush was first sworn in as POTUS. The irony being that her humanity always exceeded the politics of destruction and she never had to live through the tragedy of 9/11 [although she experienced the tragedy of the 2000 election being stolen by the evil doers].

2007 is the first time January 20th appears on a Saturday since 2001. I met Deirdre in Spring 1970 after she came to KPPC/fm with Joe Rogers [Mississippi Fats] from WBCN/fm Boston. She started the KPPC Community Switchboard that gave out information on health issues and other data us hippies needed to know to survive. She was the person we trusted to handle ALL the money when KPPC sponsored benefit film events and EVERY dollar went to Los Angeles area Free Clinics, as her dedication meant no overhead costs that plague most charity events.

She then helped establish a Community Switchboard at KMET/fm. Deirdre O'Donoghue broadcast her original Breakfast With the Beatles radio show over the airwaves of Los Angeles and her warm soul began a lasting love affair with her audience, including listeners to her creative SNAP broadcasts on KCRW/fm. Deirdre continued to broadcast during her poor health with MS, the same destructive disease that former KPPC Credibility Gap member David L. Lander is living with now which he discusses in his book titled Fall Down Laughing: How Squiggy Caught Multiple Sclerosis and Didn't Tell Nobody.”

LARadio dot com website is FREE during the month of November 2008.

Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 00:17, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide the specific links for the LARadio pages? Otherwise they're hard to find. I don't know if Alvy's involvement in the strike info is sourced well-enough, but every little bit helps. As for Ted Alvy versus Cosmos Topper, if they are the same person there would be just one article. Regarding Deirdre O'Donoghue, I hadn't realized she'd passed on. I greatly enjoyed her work on KCRW. But I'm not sure what a recollection of her has to do with Alvy's biography. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 01:09, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I met Deirdre O'Donoghue when she came to KPPC-FM from WBCN-FM Boston in 1970. Our friendship began when we worked closely together on those KPPC benefit film events for Los Angeles area Free Clinics. She was warm, intelligent, creative and very giving through her constant research about music that she spread with love over the airwaves.

Those were just two examples, as the LARadio dot com ARCHIVES Search Engine missed about 50 mentions of Ted Alvy since 1997. It would take up too much of your time and mine checking each archived web page.

Is It Possible To:

Create a WIKI entry for Ted Alvy that only says

...a Los Angeles native who became a teenage disc jockey at legendary hippie Underground Radio station KPPC-FM 106.7 in Pasadena, California where he also used the moniker Cosmos Topper on the air...

Plus a couple of External Hyperlinks?

If not, Please Delete or Withdraw or do whatever WIKI needs to Stop or Remove any entries for Ted Alvy who became Cosmos Topper on KPPC-FM in 1970 (but did radio shows under both names in 1970 and outside Los Angeles in Santa Ana, Eureka, Arcata, Seattle).

Thanks for all your time. Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 03:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

May I make two suggestion? First, read some other biographies on Wikipedia. Perhaps the most relevant would be entries in Category:American DJs. Second, work on the article in a "sandbox": User talk:Tedalvy/Ted Alvy. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 04:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Will Beback,

Good suggestions. Although it is not clear, my goal is not to promote Ted Alvy, but to give some history about those who created a free form hippie Underground Radio consciousness that America can use today, as the sameness of corporate radio limits one of the greatest treasures of America: roots music (blues, jazz, rock and roll). America needs more hours on the airwaves with deejays who know the good music and can play it on the radio in creative presentations. It just takes one successful radio station to be the cosmic catalyst. That happened in Spring 1967 at KMPX-FM in San Francisco, then at KPPC-FM 106.7 in Pasadena late 1967. We still get emails from around the world (recently Italy and Ireland) from seekers who have interest in progressive rock pioneer KPPC-FM (and also KMET-FM 94.7 Los Angeles where Rock Music began near the 1968 Summer Solstice). WIKI has some External Hyperlinks that accomplish that goal. There is no need for an entry titled Ted Alvy, as that name is now mentioned with the other KPPC deejays. tedalvy dot com is now the new home for seekers of that consciousness. Thanks to everyone at WIKI who showed interest in my quest. Peace, Ted Alvy Tedalvy (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to improve the articles on KPPC and other stations then that's much easier. Keep at it and drop me a note if you need any help. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]