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Hi. As you chose a radio call sign for your ID, you may be interested in WikiProject Amateur radio. 73's. --StuffOfInterest 19:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Teleprinter

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The new interest in Model 15 Teletypes is very modest. Maybe twenty people are involved.

The Model 15, which is all mechanical, all metal, and was built to last, is outliving most of the later models. I have one built during WWII, and after a thorough cleaning and oiling, it's working perfectly, printing RSS news feeds. The pictures of the Baudot keyboard and the "Model 15 Teletype printing a news report" in the Teleprinter article are of that machine.[1] Most of the plastic Model 33s died long ago. --John Nagle (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment back to you...

There is "probably" more interest in the Teletype Model than 20 people but the interest is certainly limited. See the <http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/greenkeys> "Greenkeys" discussion group for a dedicated circle of folks who are dedicated to restoration and preservation of the Teletype, Creed, Kleinschmidt, Siemens and other teleprinters. If you are not yet a member, please join us.

If you are interested in a really heavy duty teleprinter, check out the Siemens T-100 which was all metal and featured a worm-gear drive.

My personal interest goes to the Teletype Model 28. I have three units, two Model 28ASRs and a Model 28 KSR. One Model 28ASR is geared for 45.45 baud and sees regular service on the ham radio bands. The other Model 28ASR was a Western Union Telex machine and remains geared at 50 baud. The Model 28 KSR is being restored. It started life in the Pacific Bell system and was transferred to Amateur Radio use thanks to the efforts of the Northern California Amateur Radio Teletype Society (NCARTS) in 1970. This is one of "mouse" machines. See RTTY Journal in the late 1970s for the details. Wa3frp (talk) 20:33, 9 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Teletype is no longer a trademark

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I see from your user page you have a lot of experience with teletypes and are trying to improve articles that mention them. I think that the term teletype has become generic like aspirin or touch-tone. I checked the on-line trademark records and found the Teletype trademark expired in 2000 because the owner (AT&T) did not renew it. This means the teletype can be used as a generic name for teleprinters. For teletype trademark to be reissued, it would need to be used in commerce for three years. I don't think AT&T is still selling teletypes. Maybe you should reconsider changing teletype to teleprinter; teletype is the more common name. -- SWTPC6800 (talk)

Thanks for your help and research. I appreciate it! Nailing down that fact can be added to the article on Teletype Corporation, which is something I've decided to work on as it is currently a stub. Yes, the term "teletype" seems to be like aspirin and kleenex but there are times when the word "Teletype" is used when the teleprinter was a Kleinschmidt, Creed, Siemens or other machine. Teletype currently (and correctly) redirects to teleprinter on Wikipedia. Thanks also for digging out that 1974 ad for the model 33. That was fun to see. Do you have access to older copies of Electronics? I am looking for a 1963 ad that introduced the Model 33. Wa3frp (talk) 01:15, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

My Electronics issues are mostly from 1974 to 1978, I am doing research on microprocessors. Motorola 6800. I have Popular Electronics, Electronics World and Radio Electronics from the early 1960's. I will look for the launch of the 33. -- SWTPC6800 (talk) 03:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Some of my recent changes to both "Teleprinter" and "UPI" also reflect the absence of an active trademark for "teletype" and its passage into generic common usage. In several decades in the news business, including a dozen at a wire service, I don't belive I EVER heard that device described as anything but "Teletype."

I do thank you for some of the other points you make about the UPI references cited to UPI's web page. I share your doubts about that. I have changed the year involved to 1915 and added a citation for that. But I might follow your lead and remove the more dubious reference. User:tfnews —Preceding undated comment added 01:07, 23 August 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Just seeing this after adding some comments on your talk page... A couple of comments, yes today a teletype can refer to the large variety of teleprinter equipment that was manufactured in the USA, especially if you reside in the USA. But, there was also Kleinschmidt and in this instant case, the teleprinter equipment used by UP was made by Kleinschmidt. Teletype Corporation had not yet been formed and the word used was "telegraptype" which was a combination of "telegraph" and "type" reflecting the fact that you could send and receive print, like a typewriter without the need for a Morse operator. The word telegraptype was later shortened to teletype and then became a Registered Trademark. Outside the USA, Creed, Siemens & Halske, Oliveti, and Lorentz were the big teleprinter manufacturers. I understand your personal experience, possibly USA based, but if you were in Europe, you would probably not be using a Teletype teleprinter unless you were with a USA baed company or with the US Military and then the US Military continued to use both Kleinschmidt and Teletype.

I'm not sure how one handles the word "teletype" in a historical context now that AT&T has not renewed its Registered Trademark. If one is writing about a specific teleprinter that was designed and manufactured by the Teletype Corporation when the Registered Trademark was in effect, i.e., the Teletype Model 28 ASR. Does that teleprinter now become the teletype model 28 ASR? I don't think so.Wa3frp (talk) 01:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

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		The Technology Barnstar
		Awarded for your many helpful edits recently regarding technology, especially the history of teletype systems. Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just for context: it looks like you recently passed your first thousand edits to articles. Kudos! Steven Walling (WMF) • talk 18:36, 23 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]