User talk:Welshpeeress

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I have removed your entry for two reasons:

a) Your entry was incorrectly formatted

b) Your entry was factually incorrect

Let me elaborate on the latter.

Generally speaking, the Heraldic Visitations constitute one of the few reliable primary sources dedicated to Welsh Mediaeval genealogy. A separate contemporary primary source document held by the University of Chester also lends credence to the theory that Adam de Salesbury was the progenitor of the Salusbury Family. However, the book that you're quoting also incorporates several inaccurate claims. There is no evidence that Adam de Salesbury was the son of Henry the Lion or related to the House of Guelph as has been erroneously claimed. Likewise, there is also no evidence that the family hails from England. Scholars have put fourth various theories about the descent of the Salusburies, but there is no conclusive information about the origins of the family.

Please feel free to complain to Wikipedia.

Regards, 68.174.75.232 (talk) 20:15, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The document cites whom as High Sheriff?

My proof that this is a factoid stems from the fact that it is untrue. There is no Adam de Salzburg in the Domesday Book or in any other document of the period. This does not mean that de Salzburg did not exist -- his name appears in texts reaching back to the late 14th c. -- but rather that he was not a Guelph. Furthermore, the Victorian texts that you have sought to provide do not constitute proper scholarship according to modern genealogical standards. The College of Arms considers Adam de Salzburg to have been a living person and his descent accurate. However, there is absolutely no evidence that de Salzburg was a member of the House of Guelph in the Visitations or in any documents prior to the arrival of the family at Court during the Tudor Dynasty.

Here are some legitimate academic sources that were published within the past few years:

"The claims that Adam de Salzburg founded the family and that he came to England with the Conqueror are not demonstrable. What is known is that certain members of the family had fought in the crusades and in the War of the Roses, that a Salusbury had been one of the first governors of Denbigh [Castle] under Henry I and that another held Denbigh Castle for Charles I in the Civil War." (Piozzi, Hester Thrale. "Tuesday 8 June 1819." The Piozzi Letters: 1817-1821. Newark: University of Delaware Pr., 2002. 276. Print.)

"The Salusburys had been prominent for centuries, though the claim that the supposed founder of the house, Adam de Salzburg, had come to England in the eleventh century with the Conqueror is undoubtedly pure conjecture." (Clifford, James. Hester Lynch Piozzi. London: Clarendon, 1987. 3-4. Print.)

Regards,

68.174.75.232 (talk) 07:30, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]