Wikipedia:Featured article removal candidates/Frankfurt School
- Article is no longer a featured article.
With only three references and no inline citations, this article does not meet the current standard. It could also be made a little longer.--Bkwillwm 08:42, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- Conditional keep At its current length, I think this is quite a good summary of both the history of, and the theoretical developments associated with, the School. Rather than making it any longer (which would involve increasing the complexity of the content to explain more of the concepts — something that might deter readers of a less academic disposition), it might be better to spin off explanatory material to separate pages. The major problem lies in the absence of any proper referencing but, for someone with access to a good library, it should not be too difficult to remedy this. Thus, subject to remedial work on citations, I would recommend a keep. David91 18:47, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
- References: should be referenced better, the image too. (Image should also be made to look prettier... but that's not so important) -- Especially necessary to reference where we got the quotes from, especially since translation could matter for some of them.
- Criticism... this section is just bad... it has no real integration and is passive voice criticism and then a list of critics. This is something beyond the references that needs to be worked on to bring this up to par. It doesn't need to be in its own section... it can be integrated into each phase (because criticism differs by phase)... but it does deserve to be there in some sense.
- Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words, Wikipedia:Avoid peacock terms... I see a bunch of this in the article... especially the weasel words talking about who has been influenced.
- I'm not an expert on this by any means... but from my limited knowledge it just seems that this article doesn't flow so well in its present form and really needs work to be on the level of the new featured articles. I do agree with not making this too complex in terms of theory since that would make it long (and should be in sub-articles)... however, since we're going the summary route it needs to be thematic and explain the overtones of the school rather than be anecdotal quoting different works willy-nilly (which this does to some extent... like where it just digresses into Adorno's philosophy of music)
- Remove. For an article such as this, references are definately needed. In addition, that massive image in the "First Phase" section is hard to read and understand and strikes me as an amateurish way of laying out the information. The information in that image should be written out in the standard encyclopedia format (using sections and subsections) that all our best articles use. I also agree with the issues gren raised. --Alabamaboy 00:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Keep. Come on people, perfection in a little much to ask for when the article is open for editing by everyone. The article is a very good summary of it's topic and does have references. Would it be better if all the most important points were cited to reliable sources? Of course. I've probably pushed as hard as anyone to get to the point people reallize inline citations are needed for new FACs, but to go back and apply that to all FA's isn't a good idea. We'd be left with 300 FA's. If it weren't referenced at all, then yes I agree that's unnaceptable and we should remove the rest of those if they aren't fixed. As for the criticisms section, fix that, don't list it at FARC. - Taxman Talk 16:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
- Remove. No inline refs is a problem, but it's way too short for such an important topic. Just look at the 'Critics of the Frankfurt School' which is basically a stub section, or 'Major Frankfurt school thinkers and scholars' which is just a list! This could barely pass for 'History of a Frankfurt School', and as a comprehensive article about the school it is a complete failure.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus Talk 17:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
- Strong remove. How could this article possibly be comprehensive without going into Habermas properly? (the article mentions his views, but not nearly enough is covered). Also, it lacks citations, even leaving direct quotations uncited. Additionally, "Critics of the Frankfurt School" is essentially a section stub and is therefore far from comprehensive. Mikker (...) 03:12, 30 March 2006 (UTC)