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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was not promoted by Scorpion0422 23:36, 7 February 2009 [1].

List of Metallica concert tours[edit]

Nominators: Nergaal & Igordebraga

Asides from minor cleanup, I believe this list is ready to be featured. Constructive comments are welcomed. Nergaal (talk) 00:46, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose from Truco (talk · contribs)

  • Metallica is an American heavy metal band, founded in 1981 by Lars Ulrich in Los Angeles. - state that he is a drummer
  • Since 1982, Metallica has performed numerous times in North America and Europe, but has also performed in other parts of the World such as South America, East and Southeast Asia,[1] Australia, New Zealand, Israel, and South Africa. - 1)unlink the countries/continents, they are too common terms 2)decapitalize World
  • As of 2009, the band has performed live gigs during each year with the exception of 2001, in a total of over 1500 shows. - gigs is not an encyclopedic word, should be events (as well as other occurrences of this)
  • The prose needs to be expanding substantially, by summarizing the list more and telling more on the background of Metallica
  • All phrases in the notes in the tables should be in past tense not in present tense
  • Unlink the countries/states/continents in the table
  • What makes Metallicaworld.co.uk , Metsanitarium.com, Encycmet.com., All Metallica. , Last.fm., and Metroactive.com. reliable?
  • Consistency is needed in the publishers for the references, like the encyclopedia reference
  • Add |format=PDF to the PDF files.
  • The notes need to be seriously copyedited, they need to be in complete sentences or in a better worded fragment.--TRUCO 01:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Followup comments
  • The notes need copyediting still need copyediting First gigs as a band is not grammatically correct.
  • The intro should have the first, most recent tour, and other significant tours.
  • The sourcing issues need to be resolved--TRUCO 02:15, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Some more copyediting is needed in the notes, example: Festival tour. (this is not a complete sentence, so no full stop needed, there are others also with grammatical errors, this is just one. Some of the notes are sourced, while others aren't, so some are being verified with references, and others aren't, which makes the list unverifiable. Some of the references also look unreliable, but check with User:Dabomb87 for a check on those.--TRUCO 00:23, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You mean something like First gigs as a band were not played as a tour. needs a reference? Nergaal (talk) 01:00, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah.--TRUCO 01:07, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments
    • The lead is too short and not very well written or organized.
    • metallicaworld.co.uk is a fan site, as is AllMetallica and encycmet.com (AllMetallica is the only one of the three that does not admit this on their main page) and is Last.fm useable?
    • The format appears to be modelled after List of Kylie Minogue concert tours, but personally I like the format used at List of Nine Inch Nails tours (although listing the band members would not be necessary). -- Scorpion0422 19:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please fix the dabs. Dabomb87 (talk) 02:40, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in the process of replacing fansites and Last.fm refs, but else do you suggest in the intro? I picked that format to add notes on tour events, specially because not all tours have their pages. igordebraga ≠ 17:58, 29 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've improved the prose of the notes significantly. Please give specific suggestions for the introduction, because I have no idea what is missing right now. Nergaal (talk) 01:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments
  • "Since 1982, Metallica has performed numerous times in North America and Europe, but has also performed in other parts of the world such as South America," – "Since 1982, Metallica has performed in North America, Europe, South America,"
  • "As of 2009, the band has performed in live events during each year with the exception of 2001, in a total of over 1600 shows." – "As of 2009, the band has performed in live events each year with the exception of 2001, in over 1600 shows."
  • Please provide more information for the image captions, such as what city they are in. Frankly, we should learn something new from the image; an image of a concert is just like the image of any other concert, unless we learn more about that specific image.
  • "was the "Kill "
  • The lead is three short paragraphs. Either expand them or merge them logically.
  • The en dashes should be spaced if not between two elements of the same type, like two numbers or two months. So "Mar 14–Nov 30, 1982" to "Mar 14 – Nov 30, 1982". Also, I would very much prefer seeing full month names.
  • "Saxon, [4]" – Remove the space after the comma.

Gary King (talk) 02:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done all but two - the original source for the Damage Inc. photo is a dead site, so I can't find the location (but expanded the captions a bit), and need to know what could be done in the lead. igordebraga ≠ 15:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For the lead, talk about their concerts, perhaps typically how much money they gross, and so on. There is only 1000 bytes of prose in the article right now, surely there can be more. This is the only article about Metallica concerts, so let's make it good. Nine Inch Nails has an entire article dedicated to their live performances at Nine Inch Nails live performances. Gary King (talk) 18:03, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I will review fully tomorrow, but what makes http://www.rockthebayou.com/Bio.aspx?id=27 a reliable source? Dabomb87 (talk) 03:54, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's a festival website. If it's not written by the organizers, it's a press release from the band. Either way doesn't fail WP:RS. igordebraga ≠ 15:32, 7 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question: is this site reliable: http://www.ilikethat.com/metallica/ ? Nergaal (talk) 02:39, 8 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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