Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Sega 32X games/archive1

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Nominator(s): Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 14:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've nominated this list for featured list status because I've put a lot of effort into it twice now and I believe it meets the FL criteria (or can meet it easily with some helpful feedback from those reviewing this nomination). Five years ago, I managed to make this a featured list here on Wikipedia. Then, I stopped editing for a long time and while I was away, it was delisted because references went down and some of the reliability standards had changed. This time, I used references deemed reliable by WP:VG/S in order to put together this list and I've rewritten a significant portion of the lead, as well as restyled it a bit to better illustrate which games on this list utilize the Sega Mega-CD as well as the 32X. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 14:44, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:19, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments

Image caption doesn't need a full stop, it's not a complete sentence.
- Complete. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Similarly the text in the Key.
- Complete. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Tables need to comply with MOS:DTT with regard to col and row scopes.
- Added scopes to all rows and columns. Should be complete. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 15:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
" Codenamed Project Mars" no need for the bold, perhaps italics or in quotes.
- Complete. Changed to quotes. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"of games. A total of 40 games were produced, including six games" too many "games", reads repetitively.
- Fixed. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 15:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
"Sega of Japan, but Sega of America R&D head Joe Miller convinced Sega of Japan to strengthen the console and convert it into an add-on to the existing Sega Genesis." I know this is going to sound boring, but is there a way we could avoid using "Sega" four times in one sentence?
- Done. Reworked the sentence to eliminate that. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 15:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Make sure ref titles comply with WP:DASH and don't have SHOUTING.
- I believe that should be them all. Complete. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 15:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your comments. I've addressed all of them. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 15:14, 31 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from Crisco 1492 (talk)

Comments from Crisco 1492

~~Strongly suggest adding a ref column instead of having refs piled into the individual boxes. Looks much neater.~~
- Done. I wish I would've thought of that first; I was wondering if there was a better way to approach those references. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~A total of 40 titles were produced, including six that required both the Sega 32X and Sega Mega-CD add-ons. - Per WP:NUMERAL we should not have 40 and six, but 40 and 6 or forty and six.~~
- Done. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
~~strengthened - Huh?~~
- Reworded that sentence to make more sense. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anything about the games themselves? A common genre, or one which sold really well? This is, after all, a list of games.
- I put in a sourced comment about some things about the games themselves; notably, their poor quality. It's hard to say there's any one that sold really well, because the whole console was a massive commercial failure, and the games library was a factor in that. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - The IGN article (reference 2) points out Star Wars Arcade, an arcade perfect Space Harrier, and Kolibri as three break out titles for the system. IGN reviews themselves cite Star Wars Arcade, Virtua Racing Deluxe, and Shadow Squadron as the three "must gets". Blackthorne has the highest IGN community rating of a 32X game. (just, if this information helps any)--SexyKick 21:09, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - I think we're good, thanks for your help. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 00:08, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      - If we do have figures for the best-selling games, that would be really useful for the readers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:43, 3 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        I'm not sure we have those figures, simply because the console itself didn't sell well enough for the individual games' sales figures to be notable. I am trying to dig and find some, but they're just not there; that IGN article SexyKick references is more from a cult classic perspective. If the sources simply aren't out there to get these numbers, is this going to be a deal breaker? Although I agree it would be a helpful statistic and might provide an interesting fact, I don't think the article falls short of any of the criteria without it. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 01:47, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        No, not a deal breaker. But it would definitely be nice to actually have what the best-selling or best-remembered game(s) on the system were. Even without hard numbers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)\[reply]
        Done - Now that I can do, and I completely agree that that's a good idea. I've used the IGN article to list out a few of the most notable games released for the 32X. Let me know what more I can do; if nothing, I look forward to your support. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 03:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        Looking much better. Last request: anything considered the best 32X game by one or more notable publications? I know they've done surveys for more successful systems, but I'm not quite sure of this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        The IGN article I've made reference to a few times claims that Star Wars Arcade is the best. I'm not sure how would be the best way to write that into the lead, though. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 03:59, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
IGN, in a (retrospective review of the system?), considered Star Wars Arcade the best 32X game, as (reason)", perhaps? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:08, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 12:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, almost. Just need to explicitly mention IGN in the sentence (per WP:INTEXT) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:29, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Otherwise quite solid. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you. I believe I have resolved all of your comments. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}^{remember the past...} 13:19, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support on prose and images. Good job! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 6 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support with a few comments - 1) There's a few rows where you link Sega in the developer but not the publisher, and a few where you link in both- be consistent. 2) Any more identifying information on the Man!ac Magazine source? ISSN, page numbers? 3) Normally I'd prefer if JP/NA/PAL were separate columns that could be sorted individually, but with 40 releases I think it's okay here not to. 4) You didn't link Allgame in ref 22. 5) Consider archiving your references with webcitation.org or we.archive.org - while it's unlikely that Allgame or IGN will vanish or remove content, if either did so the list would become unreferenced. --Pres N 22:44, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Hmm, not sure how I missed the Sega links and the missing Allgame link, but those are now fixed. I'll consider archiving the sources, but with 50 refs or so, that'll be a little tedious and take some time (but it would be nice to keep this at FL status forever). As for the Man!ac source... unfortunately, no I don't have any more information. It turns out that Man!ac (now M! Games, a German publication) doesn't archive their old issues on their website, so I can't seem to find any page numbers. I will do what I can, of course, but at the bare minimum having the article title, issue, and publication ought to suffice if nothing else. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 23:47, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Source comments –

In reference 5, since the publisher is a magazine, it should be italicized.
- Done. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 23:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I don't think the comma in May, 1995 should be there unless it is presented that way in the magazine itself.
- Done. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 23:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What makes RetroCollect (ref 40) a reliable source? Giants2008 (Talk) 18:08, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Done. I think you about gave me a heart attack there... I'll explain, it's rather humorous. RetroCollect, I really can't vouch for its reliability and only used it because I couldn't find its info anywhere else, since the 32X CD version of Surgical Strike was exclusive to Brazil. Didn't think I would, either. Fortunately, and probably even better still, I found a great reliable source for Surgical Strike's 32X CD version, and one I'll likely use in the future now. I was able to find information from ConsoleCity.com, which is a site belonging to UGO Networks, considered reliable per WP:VG/S. Also, the two citations I had to other RetroCollect pages were not needed, as Allgame and IGN do an otherwise adequate job of covering the games, so I removed those as well. I think we can safely put this to bed. Red Phoenix ^{build the future...}_{remember the past...} 23:20, 18 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support I believe this article meets the FL criteria, and so it deserves to become a featured list. Good work Lester Foster (talk | talk) 19:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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