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William M. Jennings Trophy

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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page. No further edits should be made to this page. The closing editor's comments were: 13 days, 4 support, 0 oppose. All concerns adressed, great work, Scorpion!Promote. Maxim 19:04, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Another NHL trophy page, and I apologize for nominating so many within a short time period, but we're trying to get an FT so it can't be helped. Anyway, it's fully sourced, modeled after the Hart Memorial Trophy and I'll address any concerns. -- Scorpion0422 14:10, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment<sarcasm>Seeing so many trophy FLCs, I just regret supporting the Hart Memorial Trophy.</sarcasm>
    Would it be possible to add the number of goals each team allowed during that season? It would be interesting to see how many goals allowed it takes to win this Trophy, also to see who is the best of the best. It would be even better to see how many goals each of the two goalies allowed during those seasons where two goalies won the award.--Crzycheetah 00:56, 20 September 2007 (UTC)  Done[reply]
    • I'll see what I can do, but I haven't been able to find a source yet. I think my only choice might be to use the NHL.com single season stats. -- Scorpion0422 00:58, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • There's a problem. Here, it says that Minnesota had 184 goals allowed while here it says 191 goals allowed. Same thing happens at NHL.com; standings page has "191 GA" and the stats page has "184 GA". Which one's right? Maybe there are some goals that don't count as a statistic, something like a OT goal or a goal into empty net? --Crzycheetah 01:53, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Update I'm pretty sure the difference is empty net goals, but Legendsofhockey, which has individual pararaphs about every winner, says the Wild has 191 GA, [1] so I think that's the total that should be used. However, the source ALSO says "Nashville's Chris Mason was the runner-up for the award" but according to this, Nashville wasn't even in the Top 5, so I don't know WHAT to think anymore... -- Scorpion0422 15:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I believe readers have to know that. So, I'll oppose until this is explained in the article.--Crzycheetah 01:26, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I'm actually not sure why. For all we know, it could just be a tallying glitch and odds are that I will not be able to be able to find a source that explains it. From what I can tell, 191 seems to be the official tally so I'm not sure why the difference should be explained. -- Scorpion0422 01:32, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • There are several sources that use those exact numbers, so I highly doubt that it is a tallying glitch, as you say. Plus, Calgary's goals allowed has the same problem, a seven goal difference. Readers, like me, may get confused and may mock Wikipedia when they see that difference, especially if there is a golden star on the right corner. There's absolutely no doubt that this problem needs some explanation.--Crzycheetah 02:37, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Okay, I've added a note that acknowledges that there IS a difference between statistics. I checked several other seasons, and there don't appear to be any differences, which supports my shootout goals theory (the shootout was first used in 2005-06). However, I can not find a source that confirms this, so I have not added any explanation as to why there might be a difference. It's the best I can do. The only other option would be to remove the GA column. -- Scorpion0422 15:02, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • Support It's good enough for me, though I just did a research and found out that your theory about shootout goals is 100 percent correct. Here you can count that there were seven losses in shootouts for the Wild, the Flames also had seven shootout losses in their 2005-06 season. Too bad that this may violate WP:OR. Anyway, good job with the list!--Crzycheetah 18:30, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given that it cannot be sorted (the main reason we let other lists fly), I think this one can do with less links.Circeus 06:08, 29 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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