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Herne Hill railway station

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I have been working on this article about a South London railway station for the past few months. It recently became a good article and I've expanded it considerably since then. I've already had plenty of constructive feedback from the UK Railways project, but I think it's time for some fresh eyes. Could anyone with an interest in the history of London or the railways chip in? Thanks, Tommy20000 (talk) 11:46, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

Comments

• " 100m " I think WP:UNIT seems to suggest a non-breaking space should be inserted between the value and the unit. And consider a conversion to Imperial here too.
• Apply this to all other units in the article.
• Not entirely convinced you need all those years of "entry and exit" stats in the infobox, if it was me, I'd probably just have the most recent one.
• "The station also has a turnback siding (requiring the driver to change from one end of the train to the other) on its eastern side, adjacent to Milkwood Road." is this referenced anywhere?
• "to wealthy families - John Ruskin " en-dash needed, not spaced hyphen.
• "Up and Down" any reason why that's capitalised?
• "On 6 October, " reinforce year.
• Image caption with SECR appears before the explanation of what SECR means.
• "(one penny per journey)" would link "penny" here appropriately.
• "£320,000 and £310,000 respectively" that sounds massive in the late-19th century, can you "inflate" it to today's money?
• It appears that the Contemporary Review should be The Contemporary Review.
• "late night" should be hyphenated, no?
• "Crossovers and track curves omitted for clarity" needs full stop.
• Avoid squashing text between images.
• "...: Modernisation" - expect the M to be an m.
• "The signal box as seen in an early 20th century postcard of Herne Hill." not a complete sentence so no need for a full stop.
• " 6 trains per hour (tph)" six.
• "2tph" -> "2 tph".
• "1988 to present" section, two single-sentence paras at the end look a little odd.
• "A map showing..." no need for full stop.
• " 20 yards" need some consistency here, you previously wikilinked sq ft and converted it, suggest you do the same here, and be consistent throughout.
• "Another fatal collision..." the previous collision wasn't fatal.
• Our own article on Route utilisation strategy doesn't have a many capital letters as the link here.
• "8-car" -> "eight-car".
• Victoria Line -> Victoria line.
• "The station is operated by Southeastern [train operating company]]. The off-peak service as of December 2011 is:" missing a [
• Refs should avoid SHOUTING.
• Online refs should preferably have access dates
• PDFs ref'd should have format=pdf
• Use spaced en-dash rather than spaced hyphen (per WP:DASH) in ref titles.
• And ref 98 (for instance) should be pp. rather than p. and use an en-dash rather than a hyphen in the range.
• Category "DfT..." there's no explanation in the article what DfT mean. Perhaps that category needs to be renamed?
• Nor is C2 station mentioned anywhere.....

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I've made all of these changes except for the format=pdf (this just adds 'pdf' to the start of the reference; is that what it's supposed to do?) and the DfT/C2 category name change (which is perhaps best left to the guys at the UK Railways Project). I don't think there's any need to mention the station's C2 categorisation in the article as its only purpose is indicating the station gets a certain amount of traffic a year. I'll add in access dates for the online sources tomorrow morning.Tommy20000 (talk) 18:22, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

The pdf thing helps those with WP:ACCESS issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:24, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Regarding the entry/exit stats: these are a normal feature of UK railway station articles. When necessary, we show the five most recent, for the purposes of year-by-year comparison.

I see that SECR has now been removed from that image caption. This presents a new problem: the map shows lines of several colours, primarily green and pink, which when the map is sufficiently enlarged, are seen to mean "London, Brighton & South Coast" and "South Eastern & Chatham"; but at that point in the narrative, the term "South Eastern & Chatham" has not yet been introduced either. The reason that I put the text SECR(LCDR) in pink; LB&SCR in green. in the caption was to show that the LCDR lines, which had been discussed, were the pink ones.

I've given a better link for penny since this is pre-decimal currency.

Regarding inflation: there are standard formulae for this, see for example James Cudworth (engineer)#Coal-burning firebox or the last paragraph of NBR 224 and 420 Classes#History.

Regarding DfT and C2: these are both are explained by the link at the top of Category:DfT Category C2 stations. Almost all National Rail stations in England and Wales belong to one or another of these eight categories; to omit Herne Hill would mean a gap in the categorisation. BTW it doesn't indicate traffic, but the facilities provided. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, well C2/Dft isn't explained in the article, so it's odd to see it in the cats. Inflation, yes, I'm very well aware of standard formula, my suggestion was to include it in the article. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

I've added five years of entry stats (so only one year has been dropped from the original) and used the standard formula for calculating inflation. With regards to the image, I thought a good solution would be to expand the description of the image rather than include the names of the operators in the caption as you can't see any of the detail in the thumbnail anyway.Tommy20000 (talk) 11:12, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

All PDFs are now properly tagged and all online sources have an access date of today (I checked they were all still active).Tommy20000 (talk) 11:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)