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Proposals, January 2019
State governments of the United States stubs
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The result of the debate was create.
This name is unwieldy, so I welcome alternative suggestions! I went looking for stubs related to state governments and found that they have to be ferreted out within each state's stub category. I think it might be useful to have a parent category for the state-gov-stub stypes (along with their existing state parent cats). Any thoughts? Her Pegship (speak) 17:54, 24 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Her Pegship: Is there already a US govt stub category? Any existing categories you could share? Thanks! -Furicorn (talk) 08:49, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- There's a Category:United States government stubs, but it covers only stubs related to the federal government. I found Category:Massachusetts government stubs, Category:Oklahoma government stubs, and Category:Oregon government stubs, which are all children of their respective "state"-stub or "state-geo"-stub cats. Her Pegship (speak) 21:28, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
HongKong-gov-stub
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The result of the debate was re-scope and rename categories at CfD.
Apparently, within the government of Hong Kong, there is an entity known as Hong Kong Government, which consists solely of the executive branch of government. There are two stub types associated with the government of Hong Kong, both of which use the capitalized "Government": {{HongKong-gov-stub}} and {{HongKong-gov-bio-stub}}. However, many of the articles tagged with either of these seem to be about non-executive government topics, so I wonder whether we should create a separate, inclusive stub type for the government of Hong Kong as a whole, or whether these two templates and categories should be re-scoped to be more inclusive. Does this make sense?? (P.S. None of these stub types seem to have been discussed anywhere.) Her Pegship (speak) 18:03, 25 January 2019 (UTC)
- @Her Pegship: this is a fascinating question! I've tried to review the topic and it really made my head spin, but I think it is a holdover of HKSAR being a subsidiary of the UK. It reminded me of when people in the UK parliament talk about "this government" when referring to a particular Prime Minister's regime, and a glance at Devolved national administrations section within the Politics of the UK give additional support to this idea. I guess the next question would be how are stubs related to Scottish Government, Welsh Government, and Northern Ireland Executive handled? -Furicorn (talk) 08:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at it a little more, I think the example of Scotland government stubs is istructive here. {{HongKong-gov-stub}} and {{HongKong-gov-bio-stub}} should be for the Hong Kong government in general, inclusive of the Legislative Council. If enough stubs are created for the Hong Kong Government, i.e. its administrative and executive branch, then maybe we think about something like {{HongKongGov-gov-stub}} and {{HongKongGov-gov-bio-stub}}. I do notice that lists the Chief Executive as a separate part of the governance of HK from the Legistlative council, and that they are all part of GovHK, but the way they phrase things on that page makes me think that this view might be politically controversial in HK. -Furicorn (talk) 09:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, it took me some reading and re-reading to sort out the basics! The only UK country government stub types I could find were for Scotland, and they're of the general government variety. I guess I'll sift through the Hong Kong Government (& bio) stubs and see whether they really belong in a more general inclusive category, then report back with numbers. I have the feeling that the executive department doesn't need to be separated out as far as stub sorting is concerned. Her Pegship (speak) 21:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- OK, I haven't the patience or understanding to go through and decide which article relates to HK Gov or HK gov... I propose that we rename and re-scope Category:Hong Kong Government stubs (which is designated for the executive branch only) as Category:Government of Hong Kong stubs (which would encompass all branches of HK government). To wit: Keep {{HongKong-gov-stub}} and change the stub cat to Category:Government of Hong Kong stubs, changing the template wording to lowercase "government", and Keep {{HongKong-gov-bio-stub}} and change the stub cat to Category:Hong Kong government biography stubs, changing the template wording to lowercase "government". Her Pegship (speak) 21:07, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
- Yep, it took me some reading and re-reading to sort out the basics! The only UK country government stub types I could find were for Scotland, and they're of the general government variety. I guess I'll sift through the Hong Kong Government (& bio) stubs and see whether they really belong in a more general inclusive category, then report back with numbers. I have the feeling that the executive department doesn't need to be separated out as far as stub sorting is concerned. Her Pegship (speak) 21:18, 3 February 2019 (UTC)
- Looking at it a little more, I think the example of Scotland government stubs is istructive here. {{HongKong-gov-stub}} and {{HongKong-gov-bio-stub}} should be for the Hong Kong government in general, inclusive of the Legislative Council. If enough stubs are created for the Hong Kong Government, i.e. its administrative and executive branch, then maybe we think about something like {{HongKongGov-gov-stub}} and {{HongKongGov-gov-bio-stub}}. I do notice that lists the Chief Executive as a separate part of the governance of HK from the Legistlative council, and that they are all part of GovHK, but the way they phrase things on that page makes me think that this view might be politically controversial in HK. -Furicorn (talk) 09:17, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
- @Her Pegship: this is a fascinating question! I've tried to review the topic and it really made my head spin, but I think it is a holdover of HKSAR being a subsidiary of the UK. It reminded me of when people in the UK parliament talk about "this government" when referring to a particular Prime Minister's regime, and a glance at Devolved national administrations section within the Politics of the UK give additional support to this idea. I guess the next question would be how are stubs related to Scottish Government, Welsh Government, and Northern Ireland Executive handled? -Furicorn (talk) 08:46, 2 February 2019 (UTC)