Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library

Fold3 issues

Is anyone having troubles accessing certain records on Fold3 (eg [1])? I've tried different browsers and incognito mode, but no luck. Connormah (talk) 15:34, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

At least using the link you've provided, I load up a grey screen. No errors, but no content. -- Zanimum (talk) 12:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - it seems to be an issue isolated to this particular record set/collection. Connormah (talk) 15:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Haaretz English

I can't seem to access Haaretz English articles when accessing through the library. Apparently there's the same problem with the Hebrew site too via the library. Am I doing something wrong or is our access limited? I do seem to be able to see daily updates, but I believe the general public can as well by just going to the regular Haaretz site. Coretheapple (talk) 14:28, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Just to be a bit more specific: when I use the Wikilibrary link for Haaretz English, I am indeed able to obtain access to Haaretz English. However, I find that this does not give me full access to the articles on the site in most instances.

For instance. Going to the site through the library I can get full access to the article titled "Dancers Fleeing Fake Gunfire at Hamas' Nova Massacre Site? On the Set of Israel's Independence Day Music Video." Going to that through the public website I can only see an excerpt. In this instance the Wikipedia Library site is providing full access. That however is not usually the case.

For instance, if I try to access via the library "Analysis | Two Assassinations, Same Problem: Israel Didn't Think About the Consequences" I get the same limited excerpt I do through the regular public website. That is true for the vast majority of articles I attempt to access via the Wikipedia Library.

Is this a bug or is this simply Haaretz limiting access? Anyone know? Coretheapple (talk) 14:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Clicking on the Wikipedia Library link for the English Haaretz, the lead headline is "Report: Hamas Accepts Gaza Cease-fire Deal; Israeli Officials Reject Prospect of War Ending." But when you click on the article, you cannot access more than the first few paragraphs. Coretheapple (talk) 14:47, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

The Library on Wikipedia

For some reason, I haven't been able to access the Wikipedia Library, it says I have to have this account for 6 months and to have 500 edits, I mean it's kinda insane to have 500 edits tbh, I have only 100 something edits, and I had the account for what a month, 2 months now? Now, I'm not trying to be rude, you know. Just saying. How do you get 500 edits? Starixxgamerrix (talk) 18:37, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

By being persistent? If the threshold was lower, it would be too easy to access for the content providers to agree to, and then the Wikipedia Library wouldn't exist at all.Hemiauchenia (talk) 19:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

True, thanks for that, I will keep on trying Starixxgamerrix (talk) 19:11, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Agreed fully with Hemiauchenia, Starixxgamerrix. I'd just like to add, the progress Wikipedia Library has made with the agreements is incredible. When I first applied for access to Wikipedia Library, you had to request access to most databases individually, explaining how you'd use the content specifically in that database to help your editing. Now, an account in this program gives access to the vast majority of the databases instantly. -- Zanimum (talk) 12:15, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

"Insane"? A lot of us do more than 500 edits in the space of a week or so, and thousands of editors do it within a month. And if you've been doing about 100 edits in the space of approx. 1.5 months, but you can't get access until you've had the acount for 6 months, then you'll reach 500 edits not long after having an active account for the required time period, if you keep editing at about the same rate. I.e., there is no problem here.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  14:57, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Bad Request errors

I often get errors like https://academic-oup-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/pnasnexus/article/1/2/pgac048/6575909 showing up as https://academic-oup-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/HTTPHandlers/Sigma/LoginHandler.ashx&client_id=ACADEMIC&state=8cc77f69-008c-45cd-992a-425825b8d29fredirecturl=httpszazjzjacademiczyoupzycomzwwikipedialibraryzwidmzwoclczworgzjCustomErrorzsstatusCodezr404zn404z003Bhttpzazjzjacademiczwoupzwcomza80zjHTTPHandlerszjSigmazjLoginHandlerzwashxznclientzxidzrACADEMICznstatezr88c79896zy3a02zy4fdbzyb6c8zy8a4d5dfc9187redirecturlzrhttpszzazzjzzjacademiczzyoupzzycomzzwwikipedialibraryzzwidmzzwoclczzworgzzjpnasnexuszzjarticlezzj1zzj2zzjpgac048zzj6575909 what is going on with them? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:14, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus Hm, I'm not immediately sure, I can ask our engineers. One common 'bad request' issue can be solved by clearing your cookies for oclc.org so I'd give that a try in the first instance and see if this keeps happening. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 12:05, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

That didn't fix it, sorry. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:17, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Alright, I'll get back to you when I've heard from someone who knows more. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 16:29, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus,

As @Samwalton9 (WMF) those invalid request errors tend to pop up when there is a state issue for our proxy in the web browser. The proxying and redirecting requires a set of cookies that can get too large for browsers to handle. That second URL looks like it has truncated data that probably shouldn't have gone into the redirect target. As a troubleshooting step, could you try accessing this resource from another browser, preferably one that you haven't used with the library before? JSherman (WMF) (talk) 18:08, 10 April 2024 (UTC)

Chrome sends me to the login screen rather than the error message, for what it's worth. I am wondering if the cookie maker does not handle redirects gracefully. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 06:55, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Hathi Trust

We really need institutional accounts with them. They've digitized a large number of books and other resources, but will not provide access to any that are still within the copyright period, except to libraries, schools, etc. that have accounts with them. This is intensely frustrating, since they have have books that Google has scanned (for no apparent reason) but will provide no access to at all not even snippet view, and which Internet Archive does not have at all. Repeatedly now, I have had to outright buy books (due to the near-total demise of inter-library loan in the US except within the same state) that I need for, say, 5 minutes to verify one thing. (Note: As a "GFYs" to the publishers and coalitions thereof filing these lawsuits against Internet Archive, I only buy said books used, so the publishers get nothing. I make exception for niche publishers who are uninvolved in these anti-fair-use legal shenanigans.)  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  15:01, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

+me, there are lots of books on there that aren't easy to find elsewhere. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@SMcCandlish: Phab ticket T252652 is open. ——Serial Number 54129 17:06, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

@Serial Number 54129 , that ticket was closed "Declined" on 22 Mar this year. Hathi Trust had responded saying that by contract they cannot provide access. -- R. S. Shaw (talk) 23:36, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Rats.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  10:10, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

Balls. Thanks R. S. Shaw, I obviously didn't scroll down far enough! 🙄 ——Serial Number 54129 12:42, 28 April 2024 (UTC)

A real shame, it's not often we get a hard 'no' :( Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 13:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi Sam, hate to bug you on an unrelated matter but I was wondering if you can shed light onthe issue I raised above re accessing Haaretz from the Library ? I can't seem to do so and I have to assume I am not the only one. I posted that a while back to no avail. Coretheapple (talk) 14:14, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

SpringerLink access error

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T364064

I'm getting an error from springerLink:

1. I log in, it appears successful, and so does a search starting from the url https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/
2. When I click on a content item that I want to access (in this case, at https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/chapter/10.1007/978-3-031-41463-3_9 ), it isn't displayed and I get the following error:

"Page Not Found... Not logged in - 132.174.252.114 The Wikipedia Library Wikimedia Foundation (3004182381)"

Usually if the library logs you out it prompts for a re-log in, but this is happening a few minutes after the initial log in with no prompt to enter credentials again.

Thanks (t · c) buidhe 01:37, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Hmm. I'm seeing similar issues, including occasionally getting "We’re sorry, something doesn't seem to be working properly. Please try refreshing the page. If that doesn't work, please contact support so we can address the problem." messages everywhere. Downloading PDFs does seem to work between these errors (e.g. at https://link-springer-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/article/10.1007/s12207-023-09495-z). The 'Not Found' error seems to particularly be present on book chapter pages. Samwalton9 (WMF) (talk) 06:05, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried it again just now and was able to download the chapter I wasn't able to access earlier. (t · c) buidhe 14:43, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

Project Muse

Able to log in but the avaliablity seems to have lapsed. DMT Biscuit (talk) 00:00, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I experienced the same yesterday and it seems they fixed the issue. XxTechnicianxX (talk) 01:15, 5 May 2024 (UTC)

Brill

There seems to be a problem with the subscription to Brill. E.g., I was able to access to this book[2] a few weeks ago, now it is not accessable except for the OA front matter parts. Austronesier (talk) 10:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

I tried to access several books and journals via https://brill-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/ and wasn't able to access any of them. (t · c) buidhe 15:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Same here. Note that on the main Brill site, there's a header with "We are experiencing access issues to a selection of our reference works. As we work to resolve these issues, please contact sales@brill.com if you are unable to access a specific reference work title.", so it might be related to that. SnowFire (talk) 17:55, 4 May 2024 (UTC)