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"Simple listings" in WP:NOTDIRECTORY[edit]

I have suggested a clarification of WP:NOTDIRECTORY at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#WP:NOTDIRECTORY_-_simple_listings to include simple listings without encyclopedic context in this policy. Any feedback would be welcome. GermanJoe (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2015 (UTC)

Added that point, including the given feedback at WP:VPP. The point's main intent, to address unencyclopedic business-related lists as part of a topic's self-presentation, should hopefully be clear enough and uncontroversial - further tweaks are welcome of course. GermanJoe (talk) 10:04, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Requesting clarification on NOTCHANGELOG[edit]

I’ve started a discussion at the help desk asking for clarification about WP:NOTCHANGELOG, when third-party sources only verify the changes: WP:Help desk#Unremarkable software updates. Please comment. Thanks. — (talk) 02:11, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I’ve also started a discussion at WP:VPP that may directly affect NOTCHANGELOG: WP:VPP#Are software changelogs acceptable? Maybe should have been my first stop. — (talk) 04:43, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

Creation of WP:Prices[edit]

I created WP:Prices to aggregate discussion about including prices into Wikipedia. Previously this was a redirect to Wikipedia:What_Wikipedia_is_not#Wikipedia_is_not_a_directory. I think there has been enough discussion on this topic to justify centralizing whatever has been said. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

I think that it's pretty clear here and don't see any reason to change it. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
I do think we need to have a bit more time to develop what would be a separate page on WP:Prices (what is appropriate advice and all that), and agree that right now WP:Prices should redirect to here. I'm not against a guideline or essay about more specific advise but we need to have consensus on that. --MASEM (t) 17:38, 5 October 2015 (UTC)
(EC) Please go ahead and develop but don't water it down!
BTW, the sentence "5. Sales catalogues. An article should not include product pricing or availability information unless there is a source and a justified reason for the mention." really does cover it all on prices (correct me if I'm wrong) but I would include "product lists or availability" to make it "5. Sales catalogues. An article should not include product pricing, product lists or availability information unless there is a source and a justified reason for the mention." It might seem like "product lists" is redundant, but there are tons of product lists in Wikipedia, see e.g. Camel (cigarettes) (but I'll go change that). It really comes down to WP:NOADS, giving a product or price list is just a form of advertisement. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

You missed an important point why prices have no place in wikipedia: they are subject to change with time; they depend on country. It is an unencyclopedic burden to maintain the correctness of this data, which zillions of non-particular numbers would be extremely vulnerable to vandalism. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Also the weasel wording "justified reason" must be cast into clear wikipedia concepts. Otherwise this guideline will generate even more bickering and pressure, both from big-corp shills and hype-hungry startups. Staszek Lem (talk) 01:07, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

I support creating an essay on this but I think WP:Prices is an unsuitable location for it as users linking to it are assuming it backs up the WWIN point; I'd prefer a "See also" hatnote at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not#Wikipedia is not a directory. However, I think a separate essay to help document such issues is helpful. --Rubbish computer 16:49, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

discussion on the application of WP:CRYSTAL[edit]

People are welcome to join a discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Film#Joy_.28film.29 about the application of WP:CRYSTAL. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 22:19, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Not a free-media center?[edit]

I am not sure what a "free media center" is supposed to mean when you say "Wikipedia is not ... a free-media center" in this page in a nutshell section. Does "free-media" refer to free content media, media available free of charge, media enjoying freedom of the press, or anything else? I would appreciate clarification.--Dwy (talk) 10:23, 13 November 2015 (UTC)

While we encourage free content as in freely licensed content, we are not a place to host large quantities of free content created by others. Instead, we have Commons for more free media, and Wikisource for free text works. --MASEM (t) 12:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
I looked into the page and see that it is indeed confusing. The policy speaks of media repository, and this term must be used in the "Nutshell", for easy reference. Fixed. Now I hope user:Dwy will find a more detailed answer right in the policy. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:27, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
Thank you, MASEM and Staszek Lem. Now I find the text of the policy much easier to follow and understand.--Dwy (talk) 05:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Clarity by removing a sentence[edit]

In the section Wikipedia is not a blog, Web hosting service, social networking service, or memorial site there is a sentence Humorous pages that refer to Wikipedia in some way may be created in an appropriate namespace, however.
This advice reflects an earlier time in Wikipedia's history when it wasn't unusual for an editor to create a humor page. But I can't recall the last time I came across one that was written in the past few years and I think that most editors consulting this policy will be unfamiliar with the reference to humorous pages. I believe this sentence can be removed without altering the guidance of the section and preventing new editors from being confused on what is or isn't allowable content. Liz Read! Talk! 15:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

If that's removed, someone will attempt to delete everything in Category:Wikipedia humor. The point is that people should not use Wikipedia to post their personal thoughts on stuff, except that personal thoughts on Wikipedia may be ok, and definitely are ok if good humor and/or insight are included. Johnuniq (talk) 23:50, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
It might help to say these pages are generally tagged with {{humor}} to indicate they are not to be taken seriously. --MASEM (t) 03:22, 23 November 2015 (UTC)