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More barnstars to add[edit]

I propose these be added to the page:

Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 09:13, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

@Jjjjjjdddddd: Thanks for asking!
You'll be pleased to know that all of the barnstars except for the Soviet Barnstar are actually already on the Barnstars list.
As for the Soviet Barnstar, I personally have nothing against adding it, so if no-one else has any problems with adding it, I'd say that you're good to go!
If you have any questions, please let me know.
Thanks!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Wait, I didn't think this through, I was thinking of them being added to Wikipedia:Barnstars/Barnstar of National Merit. I did not notice the redirect. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 00:04, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jjjjjjdddddd: Thanks for clearing that up! It looks like the PRC Barnstar and the Soviet Barnstar already have Barnstars of National Merit, but I see no problem with adding the other four to Barnstars of National Merit (apart from the fact that someone would have to draw the Barnstar of National Merit variants, that is). Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 19:33, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
I see there's a redundancy there, but why not add both? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jjjjjjdddddd: Technically, we could add both, but I would advise against it, as it would provide extra would for the artists of the barnstars with only minimal benefit for people who would want to award the barnstars. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:37, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin:I've since proposed some of these barnstars for merge. Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 07:05, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
@Jjjjjjdddddd: That makes sense. Thanks for letting me know! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 07:11, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

The hidden subpage barnstar[edit]

This is a barnstar specifically for users who find hidden subpages on user pages.There is no image for this barnstar yet,so can I have help w/that?I was thinking like the top half of a barnstar sticking out of a dresser drawer. Do you like it?Plzplzplz consider it!NOTE: There was a barnstar that served that purpose,but it seems to have vanished overnight. Lol2.gif Me at my happiest! 11:30, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

What, like finding ancient drafts? Jjjjjjdddddd (talk) 22:31, 25 March 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure this idea has much merit in that case, or if @CrazyMinecart88: is referring to control pages (such as sidebar, navbar, etc. that commonly get transcluded onto other pages in one's userspace). Barnstars are not self-awarded, with the exception of Service Awards. They're given to an editor by another for something they did that was appriciated, and usually constructive to improving the Wiki. Finding such control pages, or finding ancient drafts in itself isn't really an accomplishment nor does it improve anything. And if they were to use that older draft to make improvements to the live page, there are already other barnstars for making good edits. Mesmerus 📬 📷 04:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Michigan Barnstar[edit]

So, I was thinkinğ that, because there's already a Minnesota Barnstar, there should be a barstar for Wikiproject Michigan with the same requirements. Michigan specifically, as opposed to any other Midwestern state, because it's my homeland, and I don't see why not. I'm a bit unfamiliar with the processes and templates used for creatinğ a barnstar, which is why I'm asking for it here. I also haven't created the image file(s) necessary yet, but I plan to have those soon if someone else doesn't already; I don't know if I should make it as a Barnstar 2.0, or otherwise, and I probably lack the photo-editing software & expertise used for making one. Anyway, thank you for considerinğ this! -User:Учхљёная (talk,philosophy,edits). 03:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

@Учхљёная: This certainly sounds like a perfectly fine thing to make. I would suggest making it as a Barnstar 2.0 rather than as a Barnstar 1.0, as the end result of a Barnstar 2.0 is far more recognizable as a Barnstar than that of a Barnstar 1.0. Aside from that, go ahead! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 03:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: Okay, I finished and uploaded the Barnstar 2.0 and a Textured Ribbon to accompany it, but the latter was just hastily thrown together off of the Working Wikipedians' Ribbon. What do you think?
The Michigan Barnstar.png
Michigan Barnstar Ribbon 2.png
-User:Учхљёная (talk,philosophy,edits). 21:20, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@Учхљёная: Very well done on the barnstar -- eligent, yet to the point! The ribbon is good too, but I think I can help improve that. I've been upgrading many of the existing ribbons to shadowed varients. I did File:WikiProject_Illinois_Ribbon_Shadowed.png a while back; really just upscaled the mini one that somebody else had made so they were akin. In the case of yours, I think starting with the Illinois Ribbon or something like the File:Kazakhstan Ribbon Shadowed.png could work better, and set it more apart from the Working Wikipedian Ribbon, if you'd like that. Or it could be more bold, using something like File:Copyeditor_Ribbon_Shadowed.png as a base, more of the promenent colors up front, with the barnstar color in the background. Those colors actually kinda match the red and blue in the state seal, which is kind of funny!
Just suggestions; every ribbon I've made is on my gallery; if you want to just pick a design and colors, I can pop off a shadowed ribbon for you to use to mint the new award with! I should ask what "Tuebor!" means though; is that latin or a slogan for the state? Mesmerus 📬 📷 23:31, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@Учхљёная: I agree with Mesmerus; great job on the barnstar! Well done.
@Mesmerus: Apparently, "tuebor" is indeed Latin, and is the first-person singular future active indicative (whatever that means) of "tueor", which means:
  1. I look or gaze at, behold, watch, view.
  2. I care for, guard, defend, protect, support, compensate or make up for.
  3. I uphold, keep up, maintain, preserve.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:34, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: Sorry to restart this thread after a few months, but I just got-around to creatinğ the barnstar at Template:The Michigan Barnstar. So, should I just put it up on the main page then? Oh, and @Mesmerus: if you could get started on the shadowed ribbon, that's be greatly appreciated too. Thanks! -User:Учхљёная(talk,relevant directory,edits). 01:42, 14 August 2018 (UTC).
@Учхљёная: Looks good! I'm totally on board with you going ahead and posting it to the main page as you proposed. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:47, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
@Учхљёная: Not a problem -- already done!
Michigan Ribbon Shadowed.png
Also went ahead and added the barnstar, your ribbon, and the shadowed one I did to WP:RIBBON, in the Awards by WikiProject Ribbons section (just under the semi-new Navarre ones). For some reason I'm seeing a rendered image, without the transparent background, but WikiCommons does have a nice, made version. Not sure what's up with that, the Navarre ribbons did it to. Curious if you see it too. Mesmerus 📬 📷 06:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin: I'm on board with it too; it belongs just as well as other Wikiproject barnstars that get made. The merger of Other Awards is a more debatable issue; this is just a 'flag and go'. :) Mesmerus 📬 📷 06:47, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
@Учхљёная: The Minnesota Barnstar was created for Wikiproject Michigan. Click/follow the link to the Template for the Minnesota Barnstar that you made in your OP, and its even in the description. Methinks you missed it! ;)I cannot read, and shouldn't try to edit without caffeine. Bad things occur! Mesmerus 📬 📷 04:36, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
@Mesmerus: "This barnstar recognizes editors who have made contributions towards WikiProject Minnesota or generally relating to the U.S. State of Minnesota.", I don't see any mention of Michigan, even the original suggestion doesn't contain any mention of Michigan. I don't really get your point?
@Учхљёная: And in reality, it was I that made the mistake of missing it! This is what happens when I try to edit without caffeine --- Minnesota != Michigan
Sorry about that! To answer your other question, I agree with Noah; a 2.0 Barnstar is nicer, and more recognizable, but if you feel more comfortable making a 1.0/Raster, then go for that. There are people lurking about who love converting to 2.0/vector for people! :) If you just need a pointing finger, I like Inkscape for vector work, but I always fall to GIMP for raster work (I also have Krita installed on my system, but GIMP just allows for more tools on the screen at once). Mesmerus 📬 📷 15:33, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Merge WP:Other awards[edit]

WP:Other awards should merge to WP:Barnstars, WP:User awards, and perhaps in a few cases WP:Awards by WikiProject. Everything on that page is either a barnstar or a non-barnstar user award, maybe a couple of project awards. Ergo, that page no longer has a reason to exist. It should just be merged, then redirect to WP:User awards.

See also Wikipedia talk:Barnstars 2.0#Merge. — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼 00:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

I have to agree with this, and suggest it be put to a proper vote somehow -- although I wasn't aware WP:Other awards was even a page, I spend a fair amount of time over on WP:RIBBON, and any of the ones, on all the pages SMcCandlish has linked that have ribbon equivalents are present on that one, singular page. Mesmerus 📬 📷 05:48, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
@SMcCandlish: your proposal seems appealing to me. I would like to understand a bit better the context. You say that the page has no longer a reason to exist. That implies that it used to have a reason. What was it? Thanks. (talk) user:Al83tito 03:30, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Al83tito: as I understand it, the page was for all other awards that weren't barnstars but were given like barnstars. They've since become ubiquitous, however, which means they basically are barnstars (just without being in the shape of a barnstar). Although SMcCandlish may have another way of putting it, I think the idea is the same. Mesmerus 📬 📷 06:01, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
@Mesmerus: I'd like to add that I'm pretty sure that the Other Awards and User Awards (I'm not sure about Awards by WikiProject) aren't identical to barnstars, as barnstars are generally for larger tasks than Other Awards and User Awards. For example, one might give a user a cookie for a single nice task when a barnstar would be reserved for a pattern of nice tasks. I should add that I'm not against the idea of merging WP:Other awards into the pages that SMcCandlish suggested, as Other Awards are pretty much identical to User Awards in most cases (and, perhaps, to Barnstars or Awards by WikiProject in a few); I just would like to clear up what exactly is the difference between a User Award/Other Award and a barnstar before any misconceptions arise. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 06:07, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I admit that I'm also confused a bit by this merge request. I had the impression that User and Other were about to be merged, then noticed that Barnstars too. I think that user/other awards are less official than barnstars and may best remain separate (perhaps that merging user and other would be a good idea, but I'm not sure about merging with barnstars). —PaleoNeonate – 08:36, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you all for the background explanations. So the question seems whether the "Barnstars" inclusion criteria should only be limited to awards given based on paterns of good work, or also expanded to single tasks. If the more expansive inclusion criteria is favored, the distiction could be made clear in the top paragraphs, as well as in the Table of Contents. Also, I wonder if the "barnstars" article should be renamed to "Barnstars and Other Awards".
One other consideration: I assume that this merge is being considered assuming that the normal guidelines of WP:SIZERULE either does not apply to wiki community articles, or this particular article is being exempted from it.
In general, I do lean towards favoring the merge. Thanks.(talk) user:Al83tito 16:10, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
I always just understood 'Barnstars' to be awards for helping on the site, whether on mainspace, articles, back stuff (Wiki space, template, etc.) -- Perhaps the distinction we're looking for is barnstars for major, consistent work, and something like "horseshoes" for one-off, good contributions? Either way, it's a naming distinction and I still say it all belongs all together on one page. If we do that, we could make the alternate name page just redirect so they all have one pile to sit on. Mesmerus 📬 📷 06:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Barnstar for citation cleanup[edit]

There's almost no more tedious and thankless task than fixing link-rot, filling in missing citation details, and normalizing citations to a single style, yet it's vital (well, maybe not the normalizing part) to the health of our articles. All the existing cite/ref/source-related awards (on all the awards pages) are for adding new citations. And the cleanup barnstar's a bit generic and over-used. And the Gnome PUA is kind of ugly, and also generic. I don't have a clear idea for graphics. Title-wise, maybe the Citation Maintenance Barnstar? — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼 00:32, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

That's a good idea, "Citation Maintenance Barnstar" is also a good title. For the image, some potential ideas: it seems that several use a mop or broom (but maybe too cliche)? Another idea may be a representation of text lines followed by a rather visible citation link, which could be overlayed in a rectangle on top of the star, like for the copyright or press barnstars... —PaleoNeonate – 01:19, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
I'm on the fence about the name; something like Normalization actually sounds better IMHO. But I work with databases a fair bit, and that's a common term there, so it may be a biased opinion on the linguistics. Maybe the "Equalization Barnstar" to keep it a little more generic/universal than 'Normalization'?
In any case, I definitely think a broom would work better for the image; mops are already used commonly for the Admins/Sysops awards, given that they are basically the site's janitors. Alternatively, it could be an amalgamation to clipping hedges or cutting grass; that would be equally representative of the task being performed. Mesmerus 📬 📷 05:55, 25 July 2018 (UTC)